Partner tosses coach - it's becoming a habit

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

After the coach left, my partner told me he has this team again later this week. I asked him if he was going to ask for a change and he said no way - it was the coach's problem, not his.

And that is exactly the attitude that all officials should have.

The coach starts off fresh next game, but he sureashell doesn't get to run anybody off.

[Coltdoggs]

My question is this...

If this goes to the point we officials declare a forefit because the coach won't leave...Is the team that is ahead declared the winner?

As for history with the same coach...I had an incident during a game a few years ago around the time IU was playing Illinois and the IU AC got a T for standing. It was a close game and this really turned the tables of the game for Illinois.

Had a coach get lippy with me about somethings and I did not T him because it was a close game and I had that IU/UI game in my mind. The next week I had his team again and the guy I was supposed to work with did not have his shoes with him so I started the game by myself. About a minute into the game this coaches team was whistled for two shooting fouls and he said to me "We aren't going to have THIS again this week are we?" I thought for a half second, nope, and I Td him. It was a bad T and I learned that every game is a new game....even when I see the same teams in tournaments on the same day.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Coltdoggs

My question is this...

If this goes to the point we officials declare a forefit because the coach won't leave...Is the team that is ahead declared the winner?

The team that forfeits loses. If they were ahead at the time of the forfeit, the score goes in the record as being 2-0 for the other team. If they were behind, the score in the book is the final score.

NFHS rule 5-4-1.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Coltdoggs

About a minute into the game this coaches team was whistled for two shooting fouls and he said to me "We aren't going to have THIS again this week are we?" I thought for a half second, nope, and I Td him. It was a bad T and I learned that every game is a new game....even when I see the same teams in tournaments on the same day.

Why is that a bad "T"? He crapped on you and you (rightfully) nailed him.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Coltdoggs

Had a coach get lippy with me about somethings and I did not T him because it was a close game and I had that IU/UI game in my mind.

Lousy reason not to give a T, imo. And it got you in trouble later...

Originally Posted by Coltdoggs

The next week I had his team again and the guy I was supposed to work with did not have his shoes with him so I started the game by myself. About a minute into the game this coaches team was whistled for two shooting fouls and he said to me "We aren't going to have THIS again this week are we?" I thought for a half second, nope, and I Td him. It was a bad T and I learned that every game is a new game....even when I see the same teams in tournaments on the same day.

He's the one that couldn't let the past go, not you. You tried to start with a new game, he wouldn't let you. SOunds good to me!

I ejected a coach once in about the first three minutes of a game. She wouldn't leave, and ended up forfeiting. the parents were furious, and got her fired. But that doesn't mean they were bad T's. My partner's only complaint was that we didn't toss her sooner! (I was trying think of the girls.)

[Rufus]

I had a similar situation this year. I tossed a coach who mouthed off and then had his team again a couple of weeks later. I was going through the usual pre-game activities and mention the incident to my partner. She said "Thanks" and we went out for the game. Lo and behold the coach is no where to be found and someone new is coaching the team (boys JV). I hang around for the boys varsity and there is the old coach sitting on the bench and assisting the varsity coach.

I have no idea if he was removed from coaching the JV team for just my game (haven't had them since) or the rest of the season. Based on his behavior when he was ejected I tend to think the latter. In either case it was most definitely his problem to deal with in any future games. Our job, and our assignor's, is difficult enough without having to worry about "special" situations that may or may not arise.

[sallender]

FIrst, after an official calls one or two technicals, he should immediately report and walk to the end of where the shots are going to be taken. the off-official is responsible for getting him/her going to the correct goal. then the off-official is responsible for "cleaning up the mess". If that mess is telling the head coach he must leave the gym then so be it.

You are wrong if you call two technicals and stand there in a confrontational manner. You "CAN NOT" win by standing there and telling him it will be a forfeit. first you're partner should be in that role.

Just my Opinion though!

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Coltdoggs

About a minute into the game this coaches team was whistled for two shooting fouls and he said to me "We aren't going to have THIS again this week are we?" I thought for a half second, nope, and I Td him. It was a bad T and I learned that every game is a new game....even when I see the same teams in tournaments on the same day.

That T you gave, albeit late, was very good.

[Texas Aggie]

Where is the school district or state association here? An 8th grade coach getting an ejection is pretty serious. 2 in the same year should mandate some form of suspension.

The only thing I might recommend is that the non-calling official get over to the calling official after the T. This does several things: 1) slows everything down, which is very important; 2) gets everyone on the same page as far as what's going on; 3) allows calling official to tell non-calling official to handle the coach and prevent, if possible, another T. The only caveat here is to make sure one of you is watching the players at all times, which is tough with only 2 officials.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Where is the school district or state association here?

There is none. We don't have elementary or middle school teams sponsored by schools around here. They are all independent. Some are part of non-profit recreational associations, some join together to make competitive leagues and contract with an assignor (that's what this was) and some are "travel teams" only and just contract to play in independently sponsored tournaments. There is no governing body but they all use NF rules as their base.