Partner tosses coach in first minute of game!

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

Hopefully the officials turned him in and he's done coaching.

Unfortunately, there's no one to whom to "turn him in". All these teams are independent and just contract for their games. I know a lot of the parents heard him, so maybe they'll do something about it. Probably not, though.

I reminded my partner to report it to our assignor, but all he can do is maybe give a heads up to guys who will have this team in the future. I doubt I'll get them again because he usually assigns me to boys games. What was weird was that I knew lots of parents and kids from the home team, which is based in my town. In fact, the scorekeeper is also the treasurer of our rec league. She has another kid who plays in that organization. She was shocked when she found out what happened and said if her daughter was the target and got punched, she not only would be on the phone to her lawyer, but her husband, who was in the stands, would make a soprano out of that coach. Cool. That I'd like to see.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

I can see in a 8th grade game, MAYBE in a Varsity game, but not @ all in any level NCAA game. ( I don't think this would ever happen @ the High school Varsity or NCAA levels anyway.)

IMO I'm not ejecting a coach for the comment @ the Varsity or NCAA level.

OH? Ever heard of what happened to John Chaney at Temple when he sent a player out to get another player?

Grow some balls and take care of bidness. That's my opinion.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

No matter what I would back my partner up!!!

NEVER, NEVER leave your WINGMAN!!!!

I can see in a 8th grade game, MAYBE in a Varsity game, but not @ all in any level NCAA game. ( I don't think this would ever happen @ the High school Varsity or NCAA levels anyway.)

If I eject a coach for a comment they made to a player I'm losing games. It's not nothing @ the DI level to hear coaches dropping the "F" bomb to their players. (Could be defined as vulgar language)

As I said I don't have a problem with tossing this 8th grade coach. Hopefully the officials turned him in and he's done coaching. My part in this discussion was to make sure we were supported in the rule book. Maybe it could be maybe it isn't.

IMO I'm not ejecting a coach for the comment @ the Varsity or NCAA level. I'm "WHACKING," making sure everyone understands why, talking to my partners & playing on.

Gimlet:

I don't know if you have ever officiated college ball (and I have and still do) but for the last couple of years the NCAA said on more than one occassion that profanity by coaches in huddles is not acceptable because of television microphones. I will grant you hell will freeze over before a Div. I coach would make that statement that was quoted in the OP, but I personally know some Div. I and II supervisors both, retired and currently supervising, I can assure you if a college head coach said what he said in the OP, and he got tossed, these supervisors would back up the officials. As I said in my earlier post, this kind of conduct should not ever be tolerated and the coach does need to be tossed.

Furthermore I know won Div. I supervisor who take games away from officials who do NOT whack a coach and I believe that this supervisor would have tossed the coach himself if his game official didn't toss him. And supervisor that would take games away from one of officials for tossing a coach in this situation doesn't deserve to be a supervisor and I hope that his officials would revolt against him.

MTD, Sr.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I think he did absolutely the right thing.

I agree.

[kbilla]

Wow! I don't have a problem with it....I guess you could argue that the coach was speaking hypothetically and didn't really mean it, but heck you never know!! The words themselves warrant the ejection IMO, I suppose it comes down to whether think he really meant it and whether you thought that his player really took him literally if you decide you don't want to toss him...

Going on a slight tangent, I would think you might have some liability issues here if you don't do something and the girl goes and does it and somebody decides to get litigious...in this case I wonder if just a T would hold up in court!

[Ref in PA]

My opinion is a comment like that has no place in the game I officiate, especially at a younger level. I am not sure I would eject for a comment like that, but I would certainly "T" for it (it would depend on what I had for breakfast). I would support my partner if he/she decided to toss the coach.

[JRutledge]

You cannot quote silence.

For this level I might not have done that, but I will not criticize anyone that took such action. Good for your partner.

Peace

[texaspaul]

I guess if he said it loud enough for an official to hear it. That probably means every girl on the bench heard it also, which means he just broke the rules of the coaches cunduct.

[kkullman9]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You cannot quote silence.

For this level I might not have done that, but I will not criticize anyone that took such action. Good for your partner.

Peace

For this level you might not have done that?! If your going to toss someone for this this is exactly the level you do it at. If you don't the players may think that that sort of thing is acceptable.

[Scrapper1]

Buh-bye. This is one of the few situations from early in my officiating career that I still regret not giving a T. Had a very similar situation where a coach made a similar comment and I simply said to the player, "That's bad advice." I should've just tossed him right there.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I helped out a friend by taking an 8th grade girls elite (top competitive level) game at the last minute last night. My partner was someone new to me, but he called a very good game overall.

With only about 45 seconds gone in the game, I was waiting for a girl to retrieve the ball which had gone into the next court so we could have a throw-in. I was on the corner of the side line and the end line diagonally opposite the visitor's bench. I heard my partner blow his whistle and turned around to see him giving a T to the visiting coach and then making the "you're outta here" signal. The coach just stared, then picked up his stuff and walked out. I went over to my partner to get the skinny.

Apparently he heard the coach say very loudly to one of his players, "The next time she pushes you, punch her right in the mouth until she stops."

My partner said that qualified as flagrant unsportsmanlike conduct, since the coach was directing a player to physically assault another player.

I said, "ooooo kay" and just let it pass.

What do you guys think?

I agree with the call.