Team foul but ? which player...

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

It has to be charged to someone.

If all else fails go into the lane and ask, "Who fouled him?"

If I screw up, I'm giving a team foul. Although, I've been involved in a who committed the foul scenario you mentioned.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by fullor30

If I screw up, I'm giving a team foul. Although, I've been involved in a who committed the foul scenario you mentioned.

There's no provision for just giving a team foul...sombody has to get it.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

There's no provision for just giving a team foul...sombody has to get it.

I'm doing a Varsity game, somebody is getting the foul. Our Lady of Perpetual Motion, sixth grade girls game, I may give a team foul, and by the post I'm sure it was a kids game.

I'm aware there is no provision for a 'team' foul.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I'm doing a Varsity game, somebody is getting the foul. Our Lady of Perpetual Motion, sixth grade girls game, I may give a team foul, and by the post I'm sure it was a kids game.

I'm aware there is no provision for a 'team' foul.

This is why officials find themselves in trouble.

So the 6th grade girls don't deserve you doing it right?

Those games are not throw away games, in fact they may be the most useful games you will work. Screwy plays, tons of call selection choices, less physically taxing so you can work on using your off hand on dead ball signals and violation calls, crisp reporting, etc...

I absolutely despise the "it was just a kids game" attitude and excuse...do it right or don't do it at all.

[Gimlet25id]

When we decide to set aside a rule because its a lower level game we do the player/coaches/fans & most importantly your fellow officials a huge disservice.

The lower level games is where we get the chance to enforce the majority of the rule book. Those obscure rules that we never get to administer @ higher level games almost always come up @ the lower level games.

IMHO..When they do come up and we decide to set aside the rule we train the coaches/players & fans the wrong rule administration. This then sets our fellow officials up for failure when the play happens to them with the same team and they administer it the correct way

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

When we decide to set aside a rule because its a lower level game we do the player/coaches/fans & most importantly your fellow officials a huge disservice.

The lower level games is where we get the chance to enforce the majority of the rule book. Those obscure rules that we never get to administer @ higher level games almost always come up @ the lower level games.

IMHO..When they do come up and we decide to set aside the rule we train the coaches/players & fans the wrong rule administration. This then sets our fellow officials up for failure when the play happens to them with the same team and they administer it the correct way

I'll reply to you because you respectfully said "in your opinion". I do grammar school games and youth games because I love the kids, not because I need to fine tune my mechanics as was implied by 'blind'zebra. In 8 years of reffing and thousands of games I think I gave a team foul two or three times for the flow of the game and the particular situation that can't be relived here. I've always prefaced to the scorer, quietly, who maybe a Mom or 8th grader that "I goofed" so lets put down a team foul. I have too much respect for the game, players, parents and coaches to phone in a game. I come on time, dressed properly, hustle, and perform my duties as an official on the highest level and like you, don't like to see the indifference on occassion by officials for lower level games. I will say, I haven't seen much of this in past few years in my area which is good.

If you interpreted my giving a team foul to an underclass game as being flippant and disrespectful at that level it wasn't intended to be.


We can argue about rules and what is the right call etc., but for someone to pontificate and come of as a pompous jerk, gives me a little insight to their people skills. I won't tolerate that and will respond in kind.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I do grammar school games and youth games because I love the kids, ...

I understand where your coming from if your working with very young kids like it sounds like you are. Nothing wrong with ignoring minor violations @ that level. Anyways most of the time the families are just there to watch the kids participate.

I haven't really worked with very young kids in a while. When I did I would make sure to take the time to explain to the kids & coaches what they did wrong in hopes of helping them to understand what not to do the next time.

I mis understood what you were implying by lower level games. I think once these kids get to the age/grade where their more competitive then it is up to us to enforce the rules the same across the board. Doing so respects the players/coaches/fans & the game.

[fullor30]

[QUOTE=blindzebra]This is why officials find themselves in trouble.

So the 6th grade girls don't deserve you doing it right?

Those games are not throw away games, in fact they may be the most useful games you will work. Screwy plays, tons of call selection choices, less physically taxing so you can work on using your off hand on dead ball signals and violation calls, crisp reporting, etc...

I absolutely despise the "it was just a kids game" attitude and excuse...do it right or don't do it at all.[/Q


You're assuming alot here aren't you Spartacus?

I'll let you in on another secret that may get your panties in a bunch. If a team is getting killed at half, we might give them the ball to start the second half, even though it may be the other team's(quick sit down before you faint). I also had a handicapped youngster awhile back in a game and we made sure he made it to the line for a free throw, which he made incidently.

You probably would have sent him to the bench for not having his jersey tucked in

Yeh, I know, a foul in the first two minutes is the same in the last two, no matter what level, what game.

Did some park district a few weeks ago, third grade girls..........guess what? I passed on a few dozen travels(shudder)

Hey, go grab that three second call on little Molly whose team is down by 30 in the fourth.

Put down the Merlot and quit pontificating.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by fullor30

[QUOTE=blindzebra]This is why officials find themselves in trouble.

So the 6th grade girls don't deserve you doing it right?

Those games are not throw away games, in fact they may be the most useful games you will work. Screwy plays, tons of call selection choices, less physically taxing so you can work on using your off hand on dead ball signals and violation calls, crisp reporting, etc...

I absolutely despise the "it was just a kids game" attitude and excuse...do it right or don't do it at all.[/Q


You're assuming alot here aren't you Spartacus?

I'll let you in on another secret that may get your panties in a bunch. If a team is getting killed at half, we might give them the ball to start the second half, even though it may be the other team's(quick sit down before you faint). I also had a handicapped youngster awhile back in a game and we made sure he made it to the line for a free throw, which he made incidently.

You probably would have sent him to the bench for not having his jersey tucked in

Yeh, I know, a foul in the first two minutes is the same in the last two, no matter what level, what game.

Did some park district a few weeks ago, third grade girls..........guess what? I passed on a few dozen travels(shudder)

Hey, go grab that three second call on little Molly whose team is down by 30 in the fourth.

Put down the Merlot and quit pontificating.

Put down the whistle and do all the officials, players and coaches in your area a favor.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Put down the whistle and do all the officials, players and coaches in your area a favor.

I can't, it's stuck up your rear.