Huge Gym, Spot inbound play

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Ok, good luck with your way then.

BTW could you please show me in the officials manual where it states to "verbally" tell the thrower to remain at the spot or that he can run?

3.2.C.5 (Putting the Ball in Play, Endline Page 53 of the NFHS Officials Manual.

When the clock is stopped, use the proper verbal and visual signal to indicate whether a spot throw in or running the end line privileges are in effect.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

3.2.C.5 (Putting the Ball in Play, Endline Page 53 of the NFHS Officials Manual.

When the clock is stopped, use the proper verbal and visual signal to indicate whether a spot throw in or running the end line privileges are in effect.

I have never done this. I have only indicated when they can run.
Perhaps I should start telling the players, "Do not pass go and do not collect $200."

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I have never done this. I have only indicated when they can run.
Perhaps I should start telling the players, "Do not pass go and do not collect $200."

You're usually the "Mr. Rulebook and Officials Manual" referee so you do as you please. I guess in this case, you're the "Mr choose what rule or mechanic I am going to comply with" referee.

It's a simple mechanic that can avoid any confusion, so why not put it in your game.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

You're usually the "Mr. Rulebook and Officials Manual" referee so you do as you please. I guess in this case, you're the "Mr choose what rule or mechanic I am going to comply with" referee.

It's a simple mechanic that can avoid any confusion, so why not put it in your game.

Because it is a new manual and I haven't read through the entire thing yet.

That statement was not in the previous manual.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Because it is a new manual and I haven't read through the entire thing yet.

That statement was not in the previous manual.

I am not convinced that the verbal and visual signal is anything new. I think it is the same procedure (i.e., wave the line, finger back-and-forth, or point to the spot) with the addition of words (i.e., "it's a spot", "you can run").
The purpose remains to be to keep all participants on the same plane (as always) and is not specifically directed to the in-thrower.

And further, I suspect you have been doing that mechanic for years.
[ '05-'07 Officials Manual Ref: 223. Reminders (last sentence.)]

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

You're usually the "Mr. Rulebook and Officials Manual" referee so you do as you please. I guess in this case, you're the "Mr choose what rule or mechanic I am going to comply with" referee.

It's a simple mechanic that can avoid any confusion, so why not put it in your game.

The mechanic tells you where the spot is and whether it's a designated spot. It doesn't give anybody license to commit a subsequent violation. You're choosing to completely ignore NFHS rule 9-2-1.

Do what you want to do, Joe. You obviously don't believe any of us. For others reading this who might not be sure, you would be wise to check with your local rules interpreter before doing what Joe is recommending.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The mechanic tells you where the spot is and whether it's a designated spot. It doesn't give anybody license to commit a subsequent violation. You're choosing to completely ignore NFHS rule 9-2-1.

Do what you want to do, Joe. You obviously don't believe any of us. For others reading this who might not be sure, you would be wise to check with your local rules interpreter before doing what Joe is recommending.

You're trying your awful darnest to put words in my mouth or telling others what I am and what I am not advocating. I gave the actual page number of the mechanic, you should do, just like all officials should do, when somebody says something, go back and read what he is referencing or go back to the rulebook or manual and check it for yourself.. Now again, and again, like I said to Bob, Mbryon and others, I would probably call the throw-in violation like the OP did, regardless of what I did or didn't visualize or verbalize to the thrower. I just brought up the other stuff so "newer" officials or officials who didn't know, that it is a prescribed mechanic to visually and verbally state what type of throw-in is going to happen at the ENDLINE, when the clock is stopped, period. Again, that's page 53 of the Officials Manual #5 (RIF).