Backpedal

[Bearfanmike20]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Backpedalling. Don't do it. Numerous serious injuries have happened. As new lead why would you want to see the whole court? The whole court is not your resposibility. If you understand your primary coverage area you will realize there's no reason to backpedal.

In 2 man mechanics there could be a grey area... If your breaking, and the ball is thrown down court and b1 just clobers a2 but new trail doesn't see it cause its technically in new leads area... that can pose problems....

Would anybody here disagree with a back pedal on the last 2 or 3 steps??.. that way you are turned around and in pos but you also have a very good idea of what is behind you cause you just turned around.??

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

In 2 man mechanics there could be a grey area... If your breaking, and the ball is thrown down court and b1 just clobers a2 but new trail doesn't see it cause its technically in new leads area... that can pose problems....

Would anybody here disagree with a back pedal on the last 2 or 3 steps??.. that way you are turned around and in pos but you also have a very good idea of what is behind you cause you just turned around.??

Generally, a fast break is going to be down the center of the court, or toward the basket, in other words, toward the center. If you get enough ahead of the action, you can afford to be wide enough to get the angle. Also, if you're fairly wide, you can sort of cut off the corner of the court as you set up off gthe endline, and you'll be looking back with a comfortable angle.

If the action really is down the sideline, and it's really the frontmost action so that it really needs to be yours, get far enough ahead of the action that you can stop, plant both feet facing the action, watch, and then turn and run as needed. Let the play go past you as you stand, if necessary.

Go to some good quality 2-whistle games and see how the best refs do it. Follow their example.

[Adam]

I don't think Ch1 is saying it's an expected thing. It reads to me more like a personal goal, one that increases hustle. It's the hustle that gets noticed by evaluators, not the timing of his arrival to the endline.

I don’t think it's a bad goal to have, as long as one keeps it in perspective, which it seems he is.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I don't think Ch1 is saying it's an expected thing. It reads to me more like a personal goal, one that increases hustle. It's the hustle that gets noticed by evaluators, not the timing of his arrival to the endline.

I don’t think it's a bad goal to have, as long as one keeps it in perspective, which it seems he is.

I read it as what's expected from assignors. Just a matter of wording perhaps as we all have same goal.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I don't think Ch1 is saying it's an expected thing. It reads to me more like a personal goal, one that increases hustle. It's the hustle that gets noticed by evaluators, not the timing of his arrival to the endline.

I don’t think it's a bad goal to have, as long as one keeps it in perspective, which it seems he is.

While it certainly is hustling to be to the endline before the ball crosses the division line, but is it taking oneself out of a useful position just for the sake of hustle? What if there's a quick steal going back the other way? What if the D puts on a press? I prefer to pause to see if I'm going to be needed (if more than 2 defenders hang back to pressure the ball), then go down with the first wave of defenders. Perhaps that's "lazy" but I think it's smart. And I still get high marks for hustle.

It works for me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

While it certainly is hustling to be to the endline before the ball crosses the division line, but is it taking oneself out of a useful position just for the sake of hustle? What if there's a quick steal going back the other way? What if the D puts on a press? I prefer to pause to see if I'm going to be needed (if more than 2 defenders hang back to pressure the ball), then go down with the first wave of defenders. Perhaps that's "lazy" but I think it's smart. And I still get high marks for hustle.

It works for me.

Which is the perspective I was talking about.

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

While it certainly is hustling to be to the endline before the ball crosses the division line, but is it taking oneself out of a useful position just for the sake of hustle? What if there's a quick steal going back the other way? What if the D puts on a press? I prefer to pause to see if I'm going to be needed (if more than 2 defenders hang back to pressure the ball), then go down with the first wave of defenders. Perhaps that's "lazy" but I think it's smart. And I still get high marks for hustle.

It works for me.

Ohh my, people why do we dig so deep? Could those be signs of an OOO?
Around here people ask questions & sometimes they get an answer, I just decided to chime in with an answer and solution. Here is what really happened.


OP: is it ok to run backwards?

Majority of the board: No & here's why...

Me: No & here is something you can do to help eliminate the bad habit

Let the spelling out begin, I didn't mean everytime down the court (which I've said several times now) Good thing "reading comprehension" has nothing to do with calling ball!
1. Of course if the press is on stay & help your partner
2. If there is a quick steal you wont make it
3. Please close down, R & R prior to hustling to new L

Other than that, get yourself to the endline & stop running backwards, chasing plays & calling out of your PCA because you weren't where you should've been. Example: New L calling a touch foul above the FT line extended because he/she wasn't on the endline watching the footers push & shove each other.

Hope this helps to understand my intent & where I was coming from.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

In 2 man mechanics there could be a grey area... If your breaking, and the ball is thrown down court and b1 just clobers a2 but new trail doesn't see it cause its technically in new leads area... that can pose problems....

Would anybody here disagree with a back pedal on the last 2 or 3 steps??.. that way you are turned around and in pos but you also have a very good idea of what is behind you cause you just turned around.??

I do not recall that someone is suggesting that if you backpedal a step or two is a bad thing. We are talking about going all the way down court or trying to beat someone to a spot by backpedaling. But I would not recommend that you backpedal as a habit because you have less of a chance seeing where you are going. And if the examples given do not convince you, then I do not know what to tell you.

Peace

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

In 2 man mechanics there could be a grey area... If your breaking, and the ball is thrown down court and b1 just clobers a2 but new trail doesn't see it cause its technically in new leads area... that can pose problems....

Would anybody here disagree with a back pedal on the last 2 or 3 steps??.. that way you are turned around and in pos but you also have a very good idea of what is behind you cause you just turned around.??

Ummm yes, during transition from T to L, I would strongly suggest getting to the endline & being ready to accept the play before the ball crosses the division line. Challenge yourself to do this & you will see that the need/want/desire to backpedal will be eliminated.

[Bearfanmike20]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Ummm yes, during transition from T to L, I would strongly suggest getting to the endline & being ready to accept the play before the ball crosses the division line. Challenge yourself to do this & you will see that the need/want/desire to backpedal will be eliminated.

Yes.. that is always my goal.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Ummm yes, during transition from T to L, I would strongly suggest getting to the endline & being ready to accept the play before the ball crosses the division line. Challenge yourself to do this & you will see that the need/want/desire to backpedal will be eliminated.

Before the ball crosses the division line? That is a little early if you ask me. Even in 3 Person that can be difficult. If that is expected, then people will forget to close down on a shot.

Peace

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Before the ball crosses the division line?
Yes sir, that's how it's done in the city.

That is a little early if you ask me. Even in 3 Person that can be difficult.
JRut you're not really that old are you?

If that is expected, then people will forget to close down on a shot.
Peace

FTR, the "endline before division line" technique includes closing down prior & not bailing out.
Not saying I get there everytime, but it's pretty darn close! Assignors & coaches alike certainly notice ones hustle when doing this, compared to backpeddaling or consistently trailing the play.

[Johnny Ringo]

I think we need better athletes wearing stripes. I used to back pedal, but now I slide like a defensive player.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

FTR, the "endline before division line" technique includes closing down prior & not bailing out.
Not saying I get there everytime, but it's pretty darn close! Assignors & coaches alike certainly notice ones hustle when doing this, compared to backpeddaling or consistently trailing the play.

So I'm trail near division line and suddenly a steal and a throw down court to a streaking 18 year old male athlete and I'm expected to be in position 'A' to accept play?

On a steal, I may have a tussle for ball right in front of me. I'm not immediately bailing out and leaving the 'scene'. I understand hustling into position, but I think your clinicians are being a little unrealistic.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

FTR, the "endline before division line" technique includes closing down prior & not bailing out.
Not saying I get there everytime, but it's pretty darn close! Assignors & coaches alike certainly notice ones hustle when doing this, compared to backpeddaling or consistently trailing the play.

First of all I am not old at all as it relates to other officials and I am in much better shape than the vast majority of officials as well (even those with less experience in officiating). Having said that even in the best situations, I am not going to be down at the Lead position before the ball crosses the division line. For one all the players are not going to be that far down and I will put myself out of positions for other actions. And when you have steals and quick transitions, I feel that is very unrealistic and trying to achieve that is going to be very hard for even the most athletic official. If you are closing down on shot, it makes it even more difficult. I have no problem getting ahead of the ball, but not getting to the end line before the ball gets to the division line.

Now this might be an area concept and that is fine. We teach officials all the time, "You will get beat and it is OK" so stay and officiate the play appropriately. I have even been to college camps and I have never had someone suggest being that quick.

Peace