Official correcting improper Time out call

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

he/she said it didnt.

Wow, you'd think I would have caught that after reading the OP repeatedly. I'm in a funk today, I guess.

Must be that tennis bracelet I almost bought for my wife.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

What level play?

He said it.

Originally Posted by port23

Middle school Team A is driving to basket on fast break at end of second quarter.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Wow, you'd think I would have caught that after reading the OP repeatedly. I'm in a funk today, I guess.

Must be that tennis bracelet I almost bought for my wife.

....but... is she a tennis bracelet kinda gal??

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

He said it.

LOL! Oh, dear! well, I know I'm in a funk... so I guess if that excuse works for you, it works for me too! (Mine has nothing to do with tennis bracelets!)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

....but... is she a tennis bracelet kinda gal??

I don't think so. She doesn't even play tennis.

[BillyMac]

How I long for the "Good Old Days" when only the five, or ten, players right in front of the officials could call time out. It made things a lot easier.

[Nevadaref]

We've discussed this issue before on this forum. An official incorrectly hearing something and wrongly believing that a time-out request was made when it wasn't is an accidental whistle. There was no actual reason to blow the whistle. (BTW accidental whistle appears in 4-36-1 and 7.5.3)
This is very different from when a coach or player DOES in fact request a time-out, but it is in a situation in which the request cannot be granted by rule, yet the official mistakenly grants the request. In that case, the time-out cannot be revoked and is charged.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Come on folks, understand the concept

Okay, perhaps you can show which of us here misunderstand this concept?

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by port23

hope you're feeling better

the problem was that the other coach took the time out, we've been coaching against each other for about twenty yers and I was not happy with him

we won by a point on a bizzare finish that had nothing to do with the coaches or the refs. It's nice to see the kids involved in this.

So the other coach called time out when you had the ball and the whistle was blown?

I guess R should have realized his mistake after he blew the whistle, given the TO to the other team, and given you the ball at TOI.

And instead, he charged you a TO, and gave you the ball at TOI.

Do I read this correctly?

[Adam]

Neither coach asked for a TO. The official thought he heard port23 ask for it and assumed that once he blew his whistle for the TO it had to be granted regardless of whether it was truly requested.

Maybe if we do this enough, coaches on the rules committee will remove the rule that allows them to do it.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

LOL! Oh, dear! well, I know I'm in a funk...

Well then you certainly shouldn't be posting. You should be concetnrating on meeting your husband's...

err ... you should be sure that when your husband takes you shopping he'll actually buy you a ...

Oh. Funk.

That's different.

Never mind.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Well then you certainly shouldn't be posting. You should be concetnrating on meeting your husband's...

err ... you should be sure that when your husband takes you shopping he'll actually buy you a ...

Oh. Funk.

That's different.

Never mind.

My husband knows very well how to handle my funks. What works and what doesn't. Tennis bracelets aren't it. 28 years last weekend, and doing very well, thank you!

[Nevadaref]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Come on folks, understand the concept

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Okay, perhaps you can show which of us here misunderstand this concept?

That's not hard. Just look at post #4 by jdw, "If he granted the timeout, you're stuck with it," and post #8 by YOU, "The thing is, the rule says once it's granted, it has to be taken."

That's not the context of the ruling. The ruling is for when the time-out has first been REQUESTED and then if it is granted, it cannot be revoked. Some people seem to be struggling to grasp the first part of that concept.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That's not hard. Just look at post #4 by jdw, "If he granted the timeout, you're stuck with it," and post #8 by YOU, "The thing is, the rule says once it's granted, it has to be taken."

Well, since we're quoting me, allow me to quote myself in context.

Originally Posted by snaqwells

The thing is, the rule says once it's granted, it has to be taken. Some officials see this and assume they have to give it to a coach once they blow their whistle. I'd guess these are your newer ones, for the most part.

I obviously understood the ruling. The rule does say what I said it does; and some officials misunderstand it as I indicated.

I'll grant you the post by jdw, I missed that one.

[port23]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

What level play?

The other coach WAS entitled to take that time out, since the ref had granted it, and you were dinged for it. Would be interesting to know what the ref would have done if your opponent had said, "No, I won't take it if my opponent doesn't want it".

The ref was ready to wait the entire FULL TIME OUT time before he resumed play. The other Coach huddled his kids up when he realized this. I did tell him after the game that I ddin't appreciate this. Two good refs always have each others back. I told him that he should have done the same for me.

Thanks for the quality feedback.

We rate our refs 1-10. A response of 5 or less in judgement merits a written reason. I have not given a ref a score of less than 10 since 1996. I'll give him a 5 for not using the "common sense" rule in a middle school game.

My opinion is the refs aren't perfect, I'm certainly not perfect and neither are the kids playing the game. Everyone does the best they can do and it usually evens out in the long run.

I give the refs a ten because whenever I ref a scrimmage it become quite apparent how hard the job is. They also NEVER play a HOME game.

Merry Christmas and happy holiday!