Official correcting improper Time out call

[rainmaker]

If all MS coaches were this reasonable, I'd be very happy to do MS for the rest of my days. Well, with the occasional varsity game at camp. The worst part about MS isn't the lower level of play, but the bad attitudes that coaches have and that players get from their coaches.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by port23

... refs ... They also NEVER play a HOME game.

That's funny!

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by port23

Middle school Team A is driving to basket on fast break at end of second quarter.

Coach A yells to players on bench about proper defensive technique on the last play.

Official interprets the instructions Coach A is yelling as a Time Out call by Coach A. Coach A did not use the words "time" or "out" or anything that rhymes with them.

I guess you won't coach defense when your team has the ball on a fast break anymore.

[Nevadaref]

The NFHS took an old case play and ammended it in the 2008-09 Case Book to specifically address this situation for the upcoming season.

NEW*

5.8.3 Situation E: A1 is dribbling the ball in his/her backcourt when: (a) the Team B head coach requests and is erroneously granted a time-out by an official; or (b) the Team A head coach is yelling "side out" offensive instructions to his/her team and the official stops play believing the coach requested a time-out. RULING: In (a), Team B is entitled to use the time-out since it was requested and granted; once granted it cannot be revoked and is charged to Team B. All privileges and rights permitted during a charged time-out are available to both teams. Play will resume with a Team A throw-in nearest to where play was stopped. In (b), an accidental whistle has occurred. Team A was not requesting a time-out, and therefore, should not be granted or charged with one. Play is resumed at the point of interruption. (4-36-1; 4-36-2a)

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

In (b), an accidental whistle has occurred. Team A was not requesting a time-out, and therefore, should not be granted or charged with one. Play is resumed at the point of interruption. (4-36-1; 4-36-2a)

This is the way I've handled similar situations in the past, but it's good to have clerification, specifically in writing - "Side Out!" Coach, what is this volleyball?

[biz]

How about the calling official having good situational awareness. If I think I hear "time-out" being called by the coach of the team who has team and player control while said player is on a break-away with under 3-seconds left I'm ignoring it if I'm the lead (focusing on potential travel, foul, intentional foul calls) and if I'm the trail I'm looking at the coach to see if he is indicating a TO. Coaches who want TO's in the final minute of a quarter tend to be quite demonstrative.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by grunewar

This is the way I've handled similar situations in the past, but it's good to have clerification, specifically in writing - "Side Out!" Coach, what is this volleyball?

I've got three new plays that I'll be calling from the bench this year.

"threeseconds"

"overtheback"

"reeeeeach"

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by CoachP

I've got three new plays that I'll be calling from the bench this year.

"threeseconds"

"overtheback"

"reeeeeach"

If I were a coach and read that case play, I'd start yelling "side out" everytime my team had the ball in the backcourt for 8 seconds (and it wasn't a point in the game where I'd take a TO to avoid the violation). Maybe the ref will blow the whistle and I'll get another 10 seconds.

Heck, I'd even get one of my players to change his name to "Ty Mount" so I could be sure to try to get his attention at such a critical point in the game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CoachP

I've got three new plays that I'll be calling from the bench this year.

"threeseconds"

"overtheback"

"reeeeeach"

Dammit! Now I have to explain to my students why I'm laughing so hard.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by biz

How about the calling official having good situational awareness. If I think I hear "time-out" being called by the coach of the team who has team and player control while said player is on a break-away with under 3-seconds left I'm ignoring it if I'm the lead (focusing on potential travel, foul, intentional foul calls) and if I'm the trail I'm looking at the coach to see if he is indicating a TO. Coaches who want TO's in the final minute of a quarter tend to be quite demonstrative.

I wish this were always the case. I've had soooo many "cool cucumber" coaches who will stand up, glance my way, quietly say "time out" and not even make a gesture, other than to tuck their shirt tail in. Give me something to work with, please.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I wish this were always the case. I've had soooo many "cool cucumber" coaches who will stand up, glance my way, quietly say "time out" and not even make a gesture, other than to tuck their shirt tail in. Give me something to work with, please.

I agree, in my experience, it happens this way quite often. I'd guess around 32.534123413431515% of the time.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Heck, I'd even get one of my players to change his name to "Ty Mount" so I could be sure to try to get his attention at such a critical point in the game.

GREAT! (sarc) Coaches (overt and covert to the forum) are now passing this around for use in their rec leagues this yr! Like I don't have enough to worry about!

Coach - "Ty Mout!"
Ref - Tweet!! "Time Out"
Coach - "What?"
Ref - "You yelled Time Out"
Coach - "No, I was yelling at #16 Ty Mout, trying to get his attention and he wasn't paying attention."
Ref - Tweet!! "Let's go gentlemen, Blue, going that way."
And so it goes......

[Adam]

Yeah, 'cause rec league refs are paying attention to the new case plays.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by grunewar

GREAT! (sarc) Coaches (overt and covert to the forum) are now passing this around for use in their rec leagues this yr!

Actually, I've fwd'ed Bob's advice to start yelling SIDE OUT with 2 seconds left in a 10 count.......

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by grunewar

GREAT! (sarc) Coaches (overt and covert to the forum) are now passing this around for use in their rec leagues this yr! Like I don't have enough to worry about!

Coach - "Ty Mout!"
Ref - Tweet!! "Time Out"
Coach - "What?"
Ref - "You yelled Time Out"
Coach - "No, I was yelling at #16 Ty Mout, trying to get his attention and he wasn't paying attention."
Ref - Tweet!! "Let's go gentlemen, Blue, going that way."
And so it goes......

Don't let the coach get away with this! Assess the T for the illegal jersey number