Coach talking trash!!

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by mbyron

In this particular case I think I agree with your conclusion, that this is at most borderline flagrant.

However, I'm not sure I agree with your premise: do you really not hold the coaches to a higher standard, since they're (legally) adults?

Generally speaking, I hold players and coaches to the same standard: the rules of the game. There is nothing about trash talking that makes it worse for an adult to do than a child. And in the cases of both children and adults I prefer to apply the minimum penalty for a behavior issue that will solve the problem.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Generally speaking, I hold players and coaches to the same standard: the rules of the game. There is nothing about trash talking that makes it worse for an adult to do than a child. And in the cases of both children and adults I prefer to apply the minimum penalty for a behavior issue that will solve the problem.

BITS, I as well disagree with your premise. The distinction isn’t between an adult and child, but the coach and the player. I believe we as officials should hold the coach to a higher standard. It’s his job to master the rules as well as coach his players. The coach has more influence on his players then his players may have on their teammates. If I want the coach to set an example for his players, then I am going to make an example out of the coach. If not, then I’ve just advocated the coach’s behavior and the players will follow suit because all they’ll get is a “T” and 1 towards their foul count. Then you have a bunch of unruly, unsporting participants in your game which could turn your game ugly real quick. JMO.

[jdw3018]

I see no problem in holding a coach to a different standard when it comes to talking to opposing players. Players are emotionally involved in the game with peers. Now and then, in this day and age, there's going to be some comments, and I have no problem warning a player before whacking them if it's not out of hand.

A coach, on the other hand, has absolutely no business at all interacting with players from the opposing team in any way, shape, or form. I'm not saying I'd definitely give a flagrant in this situation, just that I'd give a flagrant to a coach for this type of behavior before I'd give one to another player.

[Texas Aggie]

DON'T call a flagrant on this. Reserve that for things like throwing chairs or, if strictly verbal, where the coach's words are enticing their players into bad behavior -- OR, something very similar. This isn't one of those situations.

Simply T, then, if you feel its necessary to escalate it, go through your reporting system to the state.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

DON'T call a flagrant on this. Reserve that for things like throwing chairs or, if strictly verbal, where the coach's words are enticing their players into bad behavior -- OR, something very similar. This isn't one of those situations.

Simply T, then, if you feel its necessary to escalate it, go through your reporting system to the state.

Really? I'm willing to be persuaded, but the threatening nature of what he said seems pretty ugly to me, not just normal trash-talking. And I really don't like it coming from a coach to an opponent player.

I'd be interested in hearing from others, too. Seems like it's not cut and dried. WE all agree it's a T for either a player or a coach. Would anyone give a flagrant to a player for these kinds of trash talkings? How about a coach?