Tech on Coach situation

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I told him that if his team played bad enough that he felt only prayer would help, go right ahead. He got a smile on his face and decided to just sit.

Gold! A+

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Quite seriously, KS, you are utterly and completely wrong on what coaching is.

You know, one thing that I have learned not only in officiating, but in life... If you are strenuously arguing one side of an issue and almost everyone else is on the other side telling you that you are wrong, you might want to reevaluate.

Originally Posted by Brad

Interesting. What other rules do you selectively enforce?

I understand what you are trying to do here, but you can't always disregard a rule for the sake of "game management". If you do see the dunk, but decide to "not see" it because you don't want to start the game with a tech, you are not being fair to the team that didn't dunk and violate the rules.

"What other rules do you selectively enforce".

Many. All good officials do. It's all about judgement.

I see a previous comment by you about wrong and right (post #92). If that is addressed to me, keep in mind I am only sharing the KS view. It's neither wrong nor right. I am just discussing how the NFHS rule is being interped by KS and how I can see where they are coming from - and that I agree. For example, the phrase "for the purpose of coaching his team" could easily be left off if there was not intent to "qualify" what a coach can do in the box. They could have just said, "The head coach may stand in the box during a live ball - period."

It is good to see some can relate to this opinion even though most of the posters cannot. Does not bother me in the least that I am in the minority opinion on this one. It's a good discussion, even for me. But "wrong"? Nope. Probably not "right" either.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

"What other rules do you selectively enforce".

Many. All good officials do. It's all about judgement.

Judgement is not about setting aside rules.

Originally Posted by Brad

Judgement is not about setting aside rules.

Not going down that road. Call me when you T the coach for being 6 inches outside the coaching box. Have a nice night.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Brad

I understand what you are trying to do here, but you can't always disregard a rule for the sake of "game management". If you do see the dunk, but decide to "not see" it because you don't want to start the game with a tech, you are not being fair to the team that didn't dunk and violate the rules.

And if everybody on the court then starts to dunk, you'd better treat everyone exactly the same too. One free dunk for everybody on the court. How can you answer a coach whose player has just been "T"d up for dunking in the warmup who asks you why you didn't call an obvious dunk by the other team.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

If that is addressed to me, keep in mind I am only sharing the KS view.

Are you saying that the Kansas view is to ignore dunks in the warm-up?

That's what's being discussed, not the coaching box.

Originally Posted by Brad

You know, one thing that I have learned not only in officiating, but in life... If you are strenuously arguing one side of an issue and almost everyone else is on the other side telling you that you are wrong, you might want to reevaluate.

mmmmm..........I remember an old poster that used to be like that

[Adam]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

I see a previous comment by you about wrong and right (post #92). If that is addressed to me, keep in mind I am only sharing the KS view. It's neither wrong nor right. I am just discussing how the NFHS rule is being interped by KS and how I can see where they are coming from - and that I agree.

It's not the part in black we disagree with; it's the part in red.

Also, I have yet to see another Kansas ref corroborate this.

Your insistence that Colorado does this as well is also wrong.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Also, I have yet to see another Kansas ref corroborate this.

Quite the little cynic, aren't we?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Quite the little cynic, aren't we?

Me?

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's not the part in black we disagree with; it's the part in red.

Also, I have yet to see another Kansas ref corroborate this.

Your insistence that Colorado does this as well is also wrong.

Call KSHSAA at 785-273-5329 and ask for Francine Martin. Refer to the publication "2007-2008 Basketball Announcements" authored by her, the head basketball administrator. Don't take a pot shot and give me shi* about corroboration.

Second, I repeated ONE TIME what I thought another poster was saying regarding CO. EXCUSE ME if I misunderstood his post.

So, you "disagree that I agree" with what my state says and you "disagree that I can see where they are coming from"? WTF?

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are you saying that the Kansas view is to ignore dunks in the warm-up?

That's what's being discussed, not the coaching box.

No, what is being discussed is JUDGEMENT. Pay attention please.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

No, what is being discussed is JUDGEMENT. Pay attention please.

IGNORING something is NOT judgement. Pretending to NOT SEE that pre-game dunk is NOT judgement.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

IGNORING something is NOT judgement. Pretending to NOT SEE that pre-game dunk is NOT judgement.

So, if I understand you correctly, if you see the head coach 6 inches outside his coaching box and you don't call a T, that would be what?

A) judgement
B) ignoring a rule
C) all of the above
D) none of the above