Lack of Action Mechanic

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by kbilla

Just as a follow-on to this, what is the rule for determining the 6 foot distance for both NCAA & NFHS? At a HS camp this summer we were told that if a defender extended an arm toward the offensive player that was within the 6 foot distance, you start the count. However, I'm pretty sure that I have read in some of the NCAA material that the distance is judged by where the defenders feet, NOT where the hands are....is this truly a difference or was I given a bad interp this summer? I have always used the feet as the indicator and not started the count when a defender reaches out as far as they can while staying as far away as possible just to get a count started....

FED rulebook specifically says "forward foot... to forward foot"

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

FED rulebook specifically says "forward foot... to forward foot"

Thanks Bob, that is what I suspected which is why I raised an eyebrow when that came up this summer....I guess you can't always trust the "experts"...do you have the reference?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by kbilla

Thanks Bob, that is what I suspected which is why I raised an eyebrow when that came up this summer....I guess you can't always trust the "experts"...do you have the reference?

4-Closely Guarded would be a good place to start.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

4-Closely Guarded would be a good place to start.

Perhaps this was once specified in the rules, or was once issued as an interp? I have never seen this in the rule book anywhere. It's not in 4-10.

[Nevadaref]

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
4-Closely Guarded would be a good place to start.

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Perhaps this was once specified in the rules, or was once issued as an interp? I have never seen this in the rule book anywhere. It's not in 4-10.

BITS, you must be looking at the 2006-07 book. The forward foot to forward foot directive appears in the new 2007-08 version.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

FED rulebook specifically says "forward foot... to forward foot"

That's the correct procedure. I've had some men's rec teams where if you counted stomach to stomach, even though their feet were six feet apart, you'd have to count. And - don't get me started on women's teams.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

That's the correct procedure. I've had some men's rec teams where if you counted stomach to stomach, even though their feet were six feet apart, you'd have to count. And - don't get me started on women's teams.

Mark, stomach to stomach . Can they see their feet to know if they are within the required distance to start a count? Just asking.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

This has been a signal in CCA Men' and /Women's Manuals for a number of years. I have never used the signal in a college game and I will never use the signal in a H.S. game for one simple reason: If I AIN'T counting, then there is no closely guarded situation.

The signal is by far the most stupid idiotic signal one could think of. The signal is for coaches who are too stupid to understand the concept that if the official is not counting it means that that is no closely guarded situation.

MTD, Sr.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

This has been a signal in CCA Men' and /Women's Manuals for a number of years. I have never used the singal in a college game and I will never use the signal in a H.S. game for one simple reason: If I AIN'T counting, then there is no closely guarded situation.

The signal is by far the most stupid idiotic signal one could think of. The signal is for coaches who are too stupid to understand the concept that if the official is not counting it means that that is no closely guarded situation.

MTD, Sr.

Come on, Mark. Don't sugar coat it. Tell us how you really feel.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

This has been a signal in CCA Men' and /Women's Manuals for a number of years. I have never used the signal in a college game and I will never use the signal in a H.S. game for one simple reason: If I AIN'T counting, then there is no closely guarded situation.

The signal is by far the most stupid idiotic signal one could think of. The signal is for coaches who are too stupid to understand the concept that if the official is not counting it means that that is no closely guarded situation.

MTD, Sr.

I do not see where is says you have to use it or else. I think it is a great mechanic and I use it. I will use it many times when I see it is necessary. And when a coach starts yelling there should be a count, this signal tells them why I do not have a count without having to yell at the coach later what I was thinking. Mechanics should be to tell everyone watching what we are seeing. And in cases of a closely guarded situation, just not giving a count does not always tell the story. Some people do not count out of incompetence. At least this signal tells everyone why you do not have a count.

Mark if you do not like the signal, do not use it. Just like when they brought in the “kicking” signal it is better than just calling a violation and pointing. I am sure there were people that were not sure why you called a violation if you did not use the “kicking” signal. And at least that mechanic was accepted even thought it was not approved. I did not hear anyone complaining when that was implemented.

Peace

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Mechanics should be to tell everyone watching what we are seeing. And in cases of a closely guarded situation, just not giving a count does not always tell the story. Some people do not count out of incompetence. At least this signal tells everyone why you do not have a count.

I like the addition of this new mechanic at the HS level, it helps us to communicate with coaches without having to talk to them
Perception is reality!

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And when a coach starts yelling there should be a count, this signal tells them why I do not have a count without having to yell at the coach later what I was thinking.

Rut - next time a coach is yelling about this, blow your whistle, take a tape measure out of your pocket and measure the distance between the players. Then say to the coach something like, "Nope, coach - it's 6 feet 3 inches - sorry. I'll be glad to do this every time you yell".

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Rut - next time a coach is yelling about this, blow your whistle, take a tape measure out of your pocket and measure the distance between the players. Then say to the coach something like, "Nope, coach - it's 6 feet 3 inches - sorry. I'll be glad to do this every time you yell".

Better yet, bring in a set of football-style chains. Then when the coach yells, whistle, bring out the chains, and measure it.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Rut - next time a coach is yelling about this, blow your whistle, take a tape measure out of your pocket and measure the distance between the players. Then say to the coach something like, "Nope, coach - it's 6 feet 3 inches - sorry. I'll be glad to do this every time you yell".

The players would have to freeze on the whistle - it'd be like girls' lacrosse.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Mark, stomach to stomach . Can they see their feet to know if they are within the required distance to start a count? Just asking.

As long as you don't ask a similar question about women's games, you're OK.