Simultaneous Common and Intentional

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

You were right. Your partner's whistle made the ball dead, so the first foul was a personal, the second a technical (intentional or flagrant contact during a dead ball). You cannot "combine" them. Administer them separately in the order in which they occurred.

What wasn't clear to me was whether or not they were judged to have been simultaneous or if his partner's call was clearly first...that would make the difference of whether or not this was a T or just an intentional foul (ball live vs. dead)....only affects the inbounds (and whether or not the kid gets their first T), other than that the administration was correct...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by kbilla

What wasn't clear to me was whether or not they were judged to have been simultaneous or if his partner's call was clearly first...that would make the difference of whether or not this was a T or just an intentional foul (ball live vs. dead)....only affects the inbounds (and whether or not the kid gets their first T), other than that the administration was correct...

It also affects who is allowed to shoot the free throws.

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It also affects who is allowed to shoot the free throws.

of course and that is actually a good point in this case. if they forced the kid who was fouled to shoot the ft's then you are making the assertion that it was an intentional foul (non-technical), so you would have the throw-in at the nearest spot...if you went opposite table on the throw-in then you must have been asserting that it was a technical foul (unless that WAS the nearest spot which it doesn't sound like it was), in which case you should have asked for a shooter...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by KCRef

I had this situation last week in girls 6th grade league. Both teams are in bonus. My partner calls a foul on B1 on a rebound attempt. As my partner is whistling, I see A2 push B2 with both hands in the back away from the play. I called intentional foul on A2. We had A1 shoot 1 and 1, then B2 shoot 2 at the other end. Then we gave ball to team B at centerline opposite table. Was this right?

What if it was not called intentional, and therefore called a double foul? No shots and POI, which would have been AP?

What if it was "more" after my partner called his foul, and I considererd it a dead ball hence a T on A2? I think this situation would need to be administered the way we administered it. Right?

If both fouls occurred at approximately the same time, you would have simultaneous personal fouls. If so, it doesn't matter whether one of the fouls was intentional or not. There's no FT's and you go to the POI. Rules 4-19-10, 7-5-3(b), 10-6PENALTIES1(d) and 4-36. As it's on a rebound attempt, the POI is an AP(rule 4-36-2(c).

If you rule that the fouls didn't occur at approximately the same time, you have a false double foul and you penalize the fouls in the order that you called them. In this case, you would have a personal foul, followed by an intentional technical foul.