dumb ? explain a common foul to me

[roadking]

can someone explain in laymons terms the difference between a common and personel fouls. thanks

[Nevadaref]

basically, common fouls are all non-shooting fouls. They are the normal fouls in a game, not the Ts, intentionals, doubles, etc. for which a throw-in is awarded prior to the bonus.

personal fouls is a more encompassing term. Ts are not included, but doubles, intentionals, and fouls by or on an airborne shooter are.

[Dan_ref]

Personal foul: a player foul in while the ball is live which hinders normal offensive or defensive movement (ie not a T, not fighting)

Common foul: a personal foul that is not flagrant or intentional or during the act of shooting or part of a doubble, multiple or simultaneous foul (vanilla non-shooting fouls).

[BoomerSooner]

The words personal and common mean exactly what they sound like they mean. A personal foul occurs against a person, i.e. not a team foul, or administrative foul. A common foul is exactly as it says "common". They are the fouls we see throughout the game. i.e. not a technical or flagarent or (false)multiple or (false)double. Remember a common foul will end up being a personal foul as well.

Also remember, a technical foul can be a personal foul. It has its own penalty, but is still charged to the person.

It's all a tangled web of logic (if A then B, however if B not necessarily A, etc.) really confusing. The important thing to remember is what consitutes each type and what the penalty is for each foul.

[Edited by BoomerSooner on Mar 31st, 2004 at 04:24 AM]

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by BoomerSooner

Also remember, a technical foul can be a personal foul. It has its own penalty, but is still charged to the person.

Nooooooooooo!

A technical foul can never be a personal foul. Personal fouls, by rule, are live-ball contact fouls, or contact by/on an airborne shooter when the ball is dead. Technical fouls, by their own definition, cannot meet those criteria. Furrthermore, only some technical fouls can be charged to an individual. Team technical fouls aren't charged to individuals.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Mar 31st, 2004 at 07:03 AM]

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Nooooooooooo!

A technical foul can never be a personal foul. Personal fouls, by rule, are live-ball contact fouls, or contact by/on an airborne shooter when the ball is dead. Technical fouls, by their own definition, cannot meet those criteria. Furrthermore, only some technical fouls can be charged to an individual. Team technical fouls aren't charged to individuals.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Mar 31st, 2004 at 07:03 AM]

Oo-oo-oo-oo, Boomer, you got tode! Welcome to the club...

[tjchamp]

So why the need to differentiate common and personal fouls? The penalties are the same for both are they not?

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by tjchamp
So why the need to differentiate common and personal fouls? The penalties are the same for both are they not?

No, b/c some personal fouls result in FTs. If I foul an airborne shooter, that's a personal foul (live ball contact); but it's not a common foul, b/c the shooter will receive FTs.

Make sense?

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

No, b/c some personal fouls result in FTs. If I foul an airborne shooter, that's a personal foul (live ball contact); but it's not a common foul, b/c the shooter will receive FTs.

Make sense?

Specifically, common fouls only get FTs awarded when the team is in the bonus.

Personal fouls that are not common fouls always have the same penalty without regard to the foul count. Some (most) have automatic FTs other have no FTs (PC foul).

[tjchamp]

Thanks guys! That makes it clearer to me.

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by BoomerSooner
The words personal and common mean exactly what they sound like they mean. A personal foul occurs against a person, i.e. not a team foul, or administrative foul. A common foul is exactly as it says "common". They are the fouls we see throughout the game. i.e. not a technical or flagarent or (false)multiple or (false)double. Remember a common foul will end up being a personal foul as well.

Also remember, a technical foul can be a personal foul. It has its own penalty, but is still charged to the person.

It's all a tangled web of logic (if A then B, however if B not necessarily A, etc.) really confusing. The important thing to remember is what consitutes each type and what the penalty is for each foul.

[Edited by BoomerSooner on Mar 31st, 2004 at 04:24 AM]

This post is such a mess that it should be deleted by a moderator.

[cloverdale]

thought a common foul was either a personal or technical that counts toward the total team fouls leading to bounus foul shots...what I'm understanding is that you can have common fouls after the 10th team foul...BstBallRef please weigh in...

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by cloverdale
thought a common foul was either a personal or technical that counts toward the total team fouls leading to bounus foul shots...what I'm understanding is that you can have common fouls after the 10th team foul...BstBallRef please weigh in...

Your understanding is incorrect.

I seem to recall the exact wording has been posted, but if not, see 4-Fouls.