case 10.5.1 Sit C

[Splute]

The coach of Team A leaves the bench area and goes to the table to seek information other than a correctable error: (a) during a time-out: or (b) during the intermission between the first and second quarters. RULING: A technical foul is charged directly to the coach in both (a) and (b).
The final sentence in this paragraph trys to explain the reasoning behind this, but can anyone honestly tell me why a coach cannot inquire for this info during these instances, but anyone else can? Does / Would any of you enforce the tech if you saw the coach at the scorer's table during these instances?

[BktBallRef]

That's easy. Coaches are restricted to the bench area and the coaching box, even during timeouts. The rule is clear that they can only go to the table for a possible correctable error. The coach can send a statistician to find out anything he needs to know for any other reason.

Yes, I would.

Nothing good can come from the coach going to the scorer's table.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Nothing good can come from the coach going to the scorer's table.

Amen, brother.

[Splute]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

That's easy. Coaches are restricted to the bench area and the coaching box, even during timeouts. The rule is clear that they can only go to the table for a possible correctable error. The coach can send a statistician to find out anything he needs to know for any other reason.

Yes, I would.

Nothing good can come from the coach going to the scorer's table.

Hum, sounds like the voice of experience Yes I agree it is the rule. Based on your last sentence, I will gather that is more the reason for the rule rather than what the rule book offers to explain this one. As I read thru the rule books this one stuck out in my head as one that didnt add anything to the game.... perhaps it is more inclined to what it can allow to take away. Thanks

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Nothing good can come from the coach going to the scorer's table.

And that's exactly why the FED implemented the rule.

[Nevadaref]

FYI the NCAA rule is a bit different.

[Splute]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

FYI the NCAA rule is a bit different.

Okay you tweeked my interest. Let me see if I can google the rule.....

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Splute

Okay you tweeked my interest. Let me see if I can google the rule.....

tweaked or piqued. Just saying...

[Splute]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

FYI the NCAA rule is a bit different.

If I found the correct rule, the coach IS allowed to approach the scores table during a TO or Intermission in NCAA... Rule 10 section 11 art. 3a

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Splute

If I found the correct rule, the coach IS allowed to approach the scores table during a TO or Intermission in NCAA... Rule 10 section 11 art. 3a

Yep, and really I don't see why the NFHS doesn't allow that. Time-outs and intermissions are breaks that a coach gets to instruct his team, if he wants to waste that time by being over at the table obtaining information isn't that his loss?

[Y2Koach]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

That's easy. Coaches are restricted to the bench area and the coaching box, even during timeouts. The rule is clear that they can only go to the table for a possible correctable error. The coach can send a statistician to find out anything he needs to know for any other reason.

Yes, I would.

Nothing good can come from the coach going to the scorer's table.

would finding out how many fouls a player has count as non-correctable-error information seeking that could be trouble? What about a road team with limited staff (i.e. just one coach, no statistician, no assistants). I don't think its a black and white issue of coach at scorers table = bad. but for the most part, i do agree that coaches shouldn't loiter at the scorers table and that most coaches that do end up there are up to no good, so keeping them away as much as possible (with some common sense discretion) is best.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Y2Koach

would finding out how many fouls a player has count as non-correctable-error information seeking that could be trouble? What about a road team with limited staff (i.e. just one coach, no statistician, no assistants). I don't think its a black and white issue of coach at scorers table = bad. but for the most part, i do agree that coaches shouldn't loiter at the scorers table and that most coaches that do end up there are up to no good, so keeping them away as much as possible (with some common sense discretion) is best.

I agree with some common sense discretion a coach can get the information they seek without going to the table. i.e. from the coaching box he or she can communicate with the table. How many fouls does # 10 have or ask the player themselves. If a team travels with limitations then the coach should be aware of his or her limitiation as well. JMO.

Why should the officials have to compensate for shortcomings?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Y2Koach

would finding out how many fouls a player has count as non-correctable-error information seeking that could be trouble?

That's not a correctable error.

What about a road team with limited staff (i.e. just one coach, no statistician, no assistants). I don't think its a black and white issue of coach at scorers table = bad. but for the most part, i do agree that coaches shouldn't loiter at the scorers table and that most coaches that do end up there are up to no good, so keeping them away as much as possible (with some common sense discretion) is best.

Then you tell an official and allow him to address it.

The coach has no business at the table.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Y2Koach

I don't think its a black and white issue of coach at scorers table = bad.

It really doesn't matter what anyone thinks, be they coach or official. The only thing that really matters in black and white is that coach at scorers table = technical foul.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It really doesn't matter what anyone thinks, be they coach or official. The only thing that really matters in black and white is that coach at scorers table = technical foul.

I don't think Koach (or I) was commenting on the rule. He was addressing Bktballref's comment that seemed to say "coach at table = bad". I think (although I could easily be wrong) that Koach knows the rule at this point, and was merely disagreeing with the seemingly "black and white" judgment that it's always bad for the coach to be at the table.