Question for the baseball guys

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by johnny1784

Is this a feud between loving officials?

Seems pretty doubtful. I mean, we know Padgett's an official. But Old Stool, that seems pretty doubtful.

[JRutledge]

I cannot believe you guys are arguing baseball rules with someone that does not understand basketball rules. The rules have been given, leave it at that.

Peace

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I cannot believe you guys are arguing baseball rules.....

Peace

In a basketball forum.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Old School

That is wrong, completely wrong. A pitcher can be replaced at any time. A batter cannot. I can be 3-2 full count and be replaced as the pitcher. I can be 1-0 or 0-2 into the count and be replaced as a pitcher. If I'm anywhere into the count as a batter, I must complete the at-bat.

Just to further make my case clearer. In the NL, the pitcher can bat. Once the pitcher receives a count 1-0 as the batter. He must complete the at-bat. He can not be replaced. However, the pitcher on the mound can be replaced anywhere in the count. If the count is 1-0, you can switch to another pitcher on the mound. The next pitcher comes in and throws 2 more balls for a count total of 3-0. That pitcher can be replaced with another pitcher on the mound. I have seen this in MLB. The in-between pitcher was used to get the guy the manager really wanted to use warm up.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I cannot believe you guys are arguing baseball rules with someone that does not understand basketball rules. The rules have been given, leave it at that.

Peace

We are not arguing, we are having a discussion on baseball rules. If you lighten up, you might learn something. I know I have. I also know i kind of miss umping baseball and talking about some of the different scenarios. It's kind of refreshing talking to someone who knows the rules and is also a basketball official. You need to get over yourself, the world is not about you. I see you didn't have anything negative to say about the thread I started on USA Men's FIBA Officiating that was hyjacked by constant insults to the French. Look at the Off-Topic Baseball thread, it's almost over a 1000 posts on the basketball forum, you got nothing negative to say about that either, but you can come out here and insult me because I'm talking about baseball.

Some peoples kids.....

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Old School

Just to further make my case clearer. In the NL, the pitcher can bat. Once the pitcher receives a count 1-0 as the batter. He must complete the at-bat. He can not be replaced.

Not true. A batter can be replaced *at any time*.

A pitcher can be replaced *at any time* after he has faced one batter (or the side has been retired). The "one batter" rule "starts over" after a visit, unless there is also a pinch hitter (okay -- that was confusingly worded).

However, the pitcher on the mound can be replaced anywhere in the count. If the count is 1-0, you can switch to another pitcher on the mound. The next pitcher comes in and throws 2 more balls for a count total of 3-0. That pitcher can be replaced with another pitcher on the mound. I have seen this in MLB. The in-between pitcher was used to get the guy the manager really wanted to use warm up.

The first substitution you mentioned (with a 1-0 count) is allowed. The second (with a 3-0 count) isn't, and, no, you haven't seen it in MLB (unless the umpires were really asleep).

Since this is a baseball rules question that was posed, I'd ask you not to respond further unless you are a current baseball umpire.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Old School

Just to further make my case clearer. In the NL, the pitcher can bat. Once the pitcher receives a count 1-0 as the batter. He must complete the at-bat. He can not be replaced. However, the pitcher on the mound can be replaced anywhere in the count. If the count is 1-0, you can switch to another pitcher on the mound. The next pitcher comes in and throws 2 more balls for a count total of 3-0. That pitcher can be replaced with another pitcher on the mound. I have seen this in MLB. The in-between pitcher was used to get the guy the manager really wanted to use warm up.

I mean, he's really GOTTA be putting us on.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not true. A batter can be replaced *at any time*.

I disagree, batter has to be injured after the count starts. I've never seen this in a game, but that don't mean it's not possible, I've just never seen it.

The first substitution you mentioned (with a 1-0 count) is allowed. The second (with a 3-0 count) isn't, and, no, you haven't seen it in MLB (unless the umpires were really asleep).

Yes I have, it happened in the playoff's a few years ago. Don't forget the injury rule, what happens if the pitcher got hurt.

Since this is a baseball rules question that was posed, I'd ask you not to respond further unless you are a current baseball umpire.

I shouldn't have to be a baseball ump to have an opinion even though I umpired for many years. I am not saying I'm 100% correct but i am not 100% incorrect either.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Old School

More trollbait.

OK, I got sucked into this. Let me make some introductions: Old School, ignore list. Ignore list, Old School.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Old School

Just to further make my case clearer. In the NL, the pitcher can bat. Once the pitcher receives a count 1-0 as the batter. He must complete the at-bat. He can not be replaced. However, the pitcher on the mound can be replaced anywhere in the count. If the count is 1-0, you can switch to another pitcher on the mound. The next pitcher comes in and throws 2 more balls for a count total of 3-0. That pitcher can be replaced with another pitcher on the mound. I have seen this in MLB. The in-between pitcher was used to get the guy the manager really wanted to use warm up.

A pitcher [starter or substitute] must pitch until the batting slot completes a time at bat or there are three outs [R3.05], unless the pitcher is injured, ill or ejected.
If a pitcher is replaced, but has not met the above requirements, the previous pitcher must re-enter the game to meet those requirements.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Old School

I disagree, batter has to be injured after the count starts. I've never seen this in a game, but that don't mean it's not possible, I've just never seen it.

Disagreeing doesn't make you right, it makes you obstinate.

I shouldn't have to be a baseball ump to have an opinion even though I umpired for many years. I am not saying I'm 100% correct but i am not 100% incorrect either.

The question isn't asking for opinions ("what do you think the rule should be?"), it's asking for facts ("what is the rule?")

Continuing to not understand the difference is a violation of forum rules.

[mbyron]

"Danger Will Robinson! Danger!"

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

I disagree, batter has to be injured after the count starts. I've never seen this in a game, but that don't mean it's not possible, I've just never seen it.

So, because you haven't seen it happen, it's not allowed by rule. This may be the worst leap of logic I've ever seen.

Wait, I did read some stupid theory about food addictions once, but I can't remember where that was.

[mbyron]

I think the guys on the baseball forum must be much more adept with the Ignore List than people over here.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

OK, I got sucked into this. Let me make some introductions: Old School, ignore list. Ignore list, Old School.

I don't know quite what it is with this Old Stool guy, but he must be very popular these days -- he's on all the best ignore lists