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Old Tue Sep 04, 2007, 03:57pm
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I saw a thread on the baseball forum about a batter changing batting boxes during an at-bat and, as I thought, it's not illegal (as long as the pitcher is not ready to pitch), but one of the posters mentioned that a pitcher cannot change his pitching arm during an at-bat (NF rules). If this is correct, can you explain the reasoning behind it? If a batter can switch, why not the pitcher. That doesn't seem equitable to me. Thanks.

And no - before someone thinks of it, by the term "change his pitching arm" I don't mean he can replace one with a new one if it wears out.
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Old Tue Sep 04, 2007, 04:05pm
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I have no idea. This is the rule pretty much across the board. All I can do is assume that they want the offense to not adjust on the fly to a pitcher. Other than that I am simply guessing.

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Old Tue Sep 04, 2007, 04:29pm
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The batter can change sides of the plate once per at bat, there are other rules that must be followed, like not changing sides while the pitch is being delivered.
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Old Tue Sep 04, 2007, 04:50pm
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The batter can change sides of the plate once per at bat,
Really? They seemed to indicate there was no restriction as to the number of times the batter could change sides. Do you have a rule reference? Thanks.
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The batter can change sides of the plate once per at bat, there are other rules that must be followed, like not changing sides while the pitch is being delivered.
Actually he can change sides while the pitch is being delivered, accept he will be automatically out for stepping across the plate. There is a rule about the batter switching but it's more to not make a mockery of the game. I think that's right, you can only do it once, but I know you also can't do it after 2 strikes either.

Far as I know there is no restriction on the pitcher, but you have to remember, common sense. If the pitcher switches to the other arm, then he/she won't be able to play defense very well because the glove on the wrong hand. Not very smart when you're that close to the batters and you can't play defense or acturately defend yourself. I would think the baseball forum would be able to answer this to the T.
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I think that's right, you can only do it once, but I know you also can't do it after 2 strikes either.
Really!!! Because the examples they gave of it being used the most is that a batter tries to bunt from the left side to gain an advantage going to first base but after getting two strikes, moves to the right side.

I'll bet you a used Fox 40 rubber mouthguard you can't cite a rule reference to back up your statement.
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Old Tue Sep 04, 2007, 05:46pm
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Really!!! Because the examples they gave of it being used the most is that a batter tries to bunt from the left side to gain an advantage going to first base but after getting two strikes, moves to the right side.

I'll bet you a used Fox 40 rubber mouthguard you can't cite a rule reference to back up your statement.
You would win that bet cause I'm not even going to try. However, you never see this. I'll never seen a batter switch position in the pro's, i have no clue for HS. I did softball, where it is more leniant, and as far as i can recall, you couldn't switch every pitch. That's making a mockery of the game.

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Old Tue Sep 04, 2007, 05:48pm
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You would win that bet cause I'm not even going to try. However, you never see this. I'll never seen a batter switch position in the pro's, i have no clue for HS. I did softball, where it is more leniant, and as far as i can recall, you couldn't switch every pitch. That's making a mockery of the game.

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It's not. If a batter is trying to bunt, he may want the additional step to first batting LH gives him. With 2 strikes, he may want to avoid striking out by batting right. And he'd be well within his rights. I saw it once this summer and it's the only time I can remember it happening. And of COURSE, the other coach wanted me to stop it cause "it's against the rules."
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Old Tue Sep 04, 2007, 05:26pm
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Actually he can change sides while the pitch is being delivered, accept he will be automatically out for stepping across the plate. There is a rule about the batter switching but it's more to not make a mockery of the game. I think that's right, you can only do it once, but I know you also can't do it after 2 strikes either.

Far as I know there is no restriction on the pitcher, but you have to remember, common sense. If the pitcher switches to the other arm, then he/she won't be able to play defense very well because the glove on the wrong hand. Not very smart when you're that close to the batters and you can't play defense or acturately defend yourself. I would think the baseball forum would be able to answer this to the T.
You should stick to not knowing the basketball rules.

A batter can change after every pitch, if desired, even with 2 strikes. However, if a pitcher is in his delivery or is engaged with the rubber ready to deliver, the batter is declared out if he steps across to change batter's boxes (OBR 6.06(b)).

The pitcher is limited because otherwise you could have the batter and pitcher in a never ending game of switching hands to get the advantage. The FED rule is 6-1-1 NOTE -- the pitcher must declare whether he is left or right handed and pitch to the batter with that hand for the entire at bat.

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You should stick to not knowing the basketball rules.

A batter can change after every pitch, if desired, even with 2 strikes. However, if a pitcher is in his delivery or is engaged with the rubber ready to deliver, the batter is declared out if he steps across to change batter's boxes (OBR 6.06(b)).

The pitcher is limited because otherwise you could have the batter and pitcher in a never ending game of switching hands to get the advantage. The FED rule is 6-1-1 NOTE -- the pitcher must declare whether he is left or right handed and pitch to the batter with that hand for the entire at bat.
Is there a rule on whether a pitcher can change gloves mid-inning?
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The pitcher is limited because otherwise you could have the batter and pitcher in a never ending game of switching hands to get the advantage.
I believe there's also a rule that once a pitcher is announced, he must pitch to one batter. Otherwise, you could bring in a reliever, the opponent could bring in a pinch hitter, then you could switch pitchers, the opponent could bring another pinch hitter. . .

Am I right about that?
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I believe there's also a rule that once a pitcher is announced, he must pitch to one batter. Otherwise, you could bring in a reliever, the opponent could bring in a pinch hitter, then you could switch pitchers, the opponent could bring another pinch hitter. . .

Am I right about that?
You got it reversed. One a batter is announced and the at-bat starts, he must bat, cannot be replaced in the at-bat unless injuried. But you can switch the pitcher as many times as you want, even in the middle of the count. However, in the pro's, once you replace the pitcher, he is out of the game permanently, unless you stick him into the field, but I don't believe he can come back and pitch again once replaced. In softball, once the pitcher returns to a position in the field, he can then come back and pitch again and you can do this as many times as you want.

I know this is the same for MLB and softball slow pitch. The manager only gets one trip to the mound an not replace the pitcher in the same inning. Two trips to the mound in any one inning by the manager or pitching coach, pitcher must be replaced.
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Actually he can change sides while the pitch is being delivered, accept he will be automatically out for stepping across the plate. There is a rule about the batter switching but it's more to not make a mockery of the game. I think that's right, you can only do it once, but I know you also can't do it after 2 strikes either.

Far as I know there is no restriction on the pitcher, but you have to remember, common sense. If the pitcher switches to the other arm, then he/she won't be able to play defense very well because the glove on the wrong hand. Not very smart when you're that close to the batters and you can't play defense or acturately defend yourself. I would think the baseball forum would be able to answer this to the T.

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Now you are screwing up baseball rules.

Baseball rules (NFHS, NCAA, and OBR) state that the pitcher must use the same thrower arm for a given batter. The pitcher cannot change arms during the middle of at bat, but does not use the same arm for every batter. The rules further state that the batter may change batter's box before every pitch as long as he does not delay the game (meaning the pitcher has not started his pitching motion). As the rules are now written it is difficult for the batter to delay the game if he makes his change immediately after each pitch.

You used the word "mockery." The word you wanted to use was "travesty," which is the word used in the rules and it refers to running the bases in reverse order.

Please go to the baseball forum and read it closely. You may learn something.

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