time out after made basket Question

Originally Posted by CoachP

Did I pass?

66.6
2 out of 3 ain't bad at all

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Gaul is an ancient country of Western Europe.

"Gaulia omnia tres partes divisia est" (all Gaul is divided into three parts) - Julius Erving....er, I mean Caesar. Hey - do you think they're related?

Since most of this thread had nothing to do with the original question, I thought I'd contribute some more nonsense.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

At the risk of pi$$ing off my fellow officials, I am going to go out on a limb here and say this whole thread is a good example of why some players and coaches have bad attitudes toward us and consider us unapproachable.

A guy comes on here and asks a legit question...no one knows his motives. We just know the rules as they pertain to the scenario he painted. He gets his question answered accurately and then he's attacked. Some of you who didn't attack him feel the need to defend the actions of those that did. Why?

Is this what happens over time as an official? We get so jaded and cranky that we just assume a player/coaches motives are always suspect? I wonder how some of you function in society on a day to day basis. Do you react to everyone like that or just save it for officiating?

Honestly, I do not give a damn what they think about me as an official or other officials. I am an individual and I have a bad feeling of coaches and players because of their behavior too. Also it is not my job to be liked and it is not my job to like the participants. I have a job to do and who I like does not take away from that job.

If you ask me, your approach to all of this is flawed.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CoachP

If she is fouled , yes.

I will let you on a little secret. If a player dribbles into 3 defenders, they better have punched her if you expect a foul.

Originally Posted by CoachP

If No, I stand up and spin my arms.

So when an official Ts you up for that action, what are you going to say then?

Peace

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

"Gaulia omnia tres partes divisia est" (all Gaul is divided into three parts) - Julius Erving....er, I mean Caesar. Hey - do you think they're related?

Since most of this thread had nothing to do with the original question, I thought I'd contribute some more nonsense.

Well, if we work hard enough we can make this the topic, can't we?

Old joke for you RC's out there...what's God's phone number?

Et cum Spirit two, two two oh

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So when an official Ts you up for that action, what are you going to say then?

Peace

It's the name of one of my plays.

You don't expect me to yell "TRAVEL" 10 times a night, so we use Officials signals for our play calling....

[blindzebra1]

You guys are brutal,I`m glad I live in ny, where it`s safe

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CoachP

It's the name of one of my plays.

You don't expect me to yell "TRAVEL" 10 times a night, so we use Officials signals for our play calling....

You need to read Rule 10-4-1e.

Which basically means using a gesture that is seen as being disrespectful (mimicking a travel signal or double dribble signal), they can stick you. So what comes out of your mouth is not all officials judge you by.

Peace

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You need to read Rule 10-4-1e.

Which basically means using a gesture that is seen as being disrespectful (mimicking a travel signal or double dribble signal), they can stick you. So what comes out of your mouth is not all officials judge you by.

Peace

Lighten up man!!!! Didn't you see ANY of my big grin smiley faces???!!!

[jmaellis]

This is where the problem really started:

Originally Posted by todd pen

Ok thats great! So again I was correct and the ref was not as our team had secured the ball and was attempting to inbound the ball. I had the ball in my hands and was OOB ready to make a throw in.
So I do not understand your post if you are suggesting something other than what was already stated.
BTW we do use NFHS rules.

Todd Pen initiated the conflict and chose to spar with a prolific wordsmith. Todd Pen egged on Nevada, and Nevada took the bait .. oh well, Todd Pen got what he deserved; but so did Nevada, his conduct boiled over an already simmering pot.

With that said, I like to offer an observation. I have noticed during the short period of time reading, learning and posting on this forum that certain officials have no tolerance for those that do not know as much as they do, or just don't understand a particular rule/situation. Some consider any disagreement or dissent to their rational a direct attack upon their knowledge; they lash out, sometimes unnecessarily in a demeaning/indignant manner. This is especially true when it involves a non-official.

Additionally, from what I have observed so far, there does seem to be a "circling of the wagons" mentality among some basketball officials. Any challenge to their knowledge or judgment results in a swift condemnation of the "accuser" as ignorant or ill informed (whether it be an inexperienced official or a coach/player/fan). These officials often seem unwilling to acknowledge their own deficiencies or the apparent deficiencies of other officials. Excuses are abundant; "You didn't see what the official saw"; "The official this or the official that"'; or "I wasn't there." Rarely is there any acknowledgment that the official was wrong or might have been wrong and should have done a better job. These officials are completely incapable of accepting any criticism, whether it be of themselves of other officials and have no tolerance for anybody who is not as knowledgeable or informed as they are.

There are those that have many excuses as to why their or another official's misconduct, lack of judgment, lack or rule knowledge, or poor attitude should be tolerated or ignored. "Get over it and play on"; or "Any deficiency on the part of an official is unlikely to effect he end result of a game."; Don't criticize me unless you are willing to fill my shoes." These type of comments are just rhetoric. IMO this type of attitude is a discredit to all officials and reinforces already negative stereotypes that officials are unapproachable and/or unwilling to acknowledge their own shortcomings.

So anyway, this is all, of course, just my .02 that I thought I would share.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by jmaellis

Excuses are abundant; "I wasn't there."

I don't think it's fair to lump this in with the rest of the "excuses". Whenever there is a question that involves a judgment call, it's eminently fair to not be able to comment helpfully without having "been there" to see how something happened.

And no, I'm not attacking you. I'm just trying to point out a legitimate response. FWIW, I thought you had some good comments.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jmaellis

With that said, I like to offer an observation. I have noticed during the short period of time reading, learning and posting on this forum that certain officials have no tolerance for those that do not know as much as they do, or just don't understand a particular rule/situation. Some consider any disagreement or dissent to their rational a direct attack upon their knowledge; they lash out, sometimes unnecessarily in a demeaning/indignant manner. This is especially true when it involves a non-official.

I disagree. Could you provide some examples of when someone is treated poorly for merely not understanding the rules?

Originally Posted by jmaellis

Additionally, from what I have observed so far, there does seem to be a "circling of the wagons" mentality among some basketball officials. Any challenge to their knowledge or judgment results in a swift condemnation of the "accuser" as ignorant or ill informed (whether it be an inexperienced official or a coach/player/fan). These officials often seem unwilling to acknowledge their own deficiencies or the apparent deficiencies of other officials. Excuses are abundant; "You didn't see what the official saw"; "The official this or the official that"'; or "I wasn't there." Rarely is there any acknowledgment that the official was wrong or might have been wrong and should have done a better job.

I've seen this quite often actually. However, usually, we qualify any statement of "they might have missed it" with "I wasn't there" or "the actual ruling may have been different than you say it was." We aren't going to pile on an official for making a call when we have no idea what was going through his head.

Originally Posted by jmaellis

These officials are completely incapable of accepting any criticism, whether it be of themselves of other officials and have no tolerance for anybody who is not as knowledgeable or informed as they are.

I think you've completely misread what goes on here.

Originally Posted by jmaellis

There are those that have many excuses as to why their or another official's misconduct, lack of judgment, lack or rule knowledge, or poor attitude should be tolerated or ignored. "Get over it and play on"; or "Any deficiency on the part of an official is unlikely to effect he end result of a game."; Don't criticize me unless you are willing to fill my shoes." These type of comments are just rhetoric.

"Get over it and play on" is generally a response to someone's question, "How should I approach the ref when...." It's a practical response. "Any deficiency...." is also a practical response when the players or coaches or fans here complain about how their ref cost the game. It's a specific response and I've never seen it used to deflect criticism on whether an actual call was correct or not. "Don't criticize me...." I haven't actually seen this one. Got an example?

Originally Posted by jmaellis

IMO this type of attitude is a discredit to all officials and reinforces already negative stereotypes that officials are unapproachable and/or unwilling to acknowledge their own shortcomings.

How's the air up on that high horse of yours?

[blindzebra1]

[quote=jmaellis]This is where the problem really started:



Todd Pen initiated the conflict and chose to spar with a prolific wordsmith. Todd Pen egged on Nevada, and Nevada took the bait .. oh well, Todd Pen got what he deserved; but so did Nevada, his conduct boiled over an already simmering pot.



NO TOLERANCE?,SWIFT CONDEMNATION?,CIRCLING OF THE WAGONS?!! ACKNOWLEGE THEIR OWN DEFICIENCIES?!!! MANY EXCUSES?!!!

WHY I OUGHTA!!!.......

[jmaellis]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I disagree. Could you provide some examples of when someone is treated poorly for merely not understanding the rules?

Nevada's response in this thread, beginning with post #8, second sentence is a good example. Todd Pen in post #7 said, " .... I do not understand your post ...". Which in turn led to a personal, demeaning and confrontational response from Nevada. (I apologize to Nevada for calling him out but the post(s) within this thread serves as a good example of what I was referring to.)

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

"Don't criticize me...." I haven't actually seen this one. Got an example?

Many. Only the second paragraph of my post was I referring specifically to my experiences/observations of this forum. The remainder of my post is my overall observations of officials since I became involved in officiating. So, some comments are things that I have heard, some are what I have read. I don't see a need to mine through old posts to "prove" that these types of things have been said or written. I remember them as quoted or with using similar words with the same meaning/context.

Originally Posted by Sanqwells

How's the air up on that high horse of yours?

Originally Posted by JMAELLIS

So anyway, this is all, of course, just my .02 that I thought I would share.

I was sharing general thoughts and my personal observations of some officials; you respond with an insult. If you want an example of the type of conduct that I referred to in my post ... look no further than a mirror.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Honestly, I do not give a damn what they think about me as an official or other officials. I am an individual and I have a bad feeling of coaches and players because of their behavior too. Also it is not my job to be liked and it is not my job to like the participants. I have a job to do and who I like does not take away from that job.

If you ask me, your approach to all of this is flawed.

Peace

Just for the record, I didn't ask you. I was offering up an opinion. And also for the record, I lump you into the group of posters here who strike me as jaded and cranky, as evidenced by your response above.