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todd pen Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:29pm
time out after made basket Question
 
What criteria should be used by a referee in determining wether or not to give a time out after a made basket? Team A shoots and makes a basket, Team B recovers the ball and is attempting to throw the ball in to start a break. Should the referee give the time out to the team A?

CLH Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:38pm
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Originally Posted by todd pen
What criteria should be used by a referee in determining wether or not to give a time out after a made basket? Team A shoots and makes a basket, Team B recovers the ball and is attempting to throw the ball in to start a break. Should the referee give the time out to the team A?
If the ball is at the disposal of Team B, then NO, do not grant the timeout. The one thing you have to get yourself out of trouble if you do blow the whistle, is telling the now irate Team B coach, that when the request was made, the ball was not yet at the disposal and you just couldn't crack ur whistle quick enough. Then get the hell away from him.:D

CLH

todd pen Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:45pm
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If the ball is at the disposal of Team B, then NO, do not grant the timeout. The one thing you have to get yourself out of trouble if you do blow the whistle, is telling the now irate Team B coach, that when the request was made, the ball was not yet at the disposal and you just couldn't crack ur whistle quick enough. Then get the hell away from him.:D

CLH
Exactly what I thought! And yes I am that irate coach/player. Just mens league, but this ref calls the timeout and stops our fast break. Then has the gaul to say that he can call the timeout at any time before the ball enters play again.
Always nice to be vindicated. Thanks

CLH Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:47pm
AHHHHH CRAP!!!!!!! I gave a coach some fuel to his argument. Noone will ever wanna work with me again! Very sneaky coach, well played sir....well played. :eek:

rainmaker Wed Aug 22, 2007 01:02am
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Originally Posted by todd pen
Exactly what I thought! And yes I am that irate coach/player. Just mens league, but this ref calls the timeout and stops our fast break. Then has the gaul to say that he can call the timeout at any time before the ball enters play again.
Always nice to be vindicated. Thanks
You'd better check with your ref about what rules they're using. If they say they're using NFHS or NCAA rules, then you're right about the play, but still wrong to argue with the ref. But it's still possible that they're using some other set of rules. The sets we discuss here the most are NFHS and NCAA.

Nevadaref Wed Aug 22, 2007 01:34am
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Originally Posted by todd pen
What criteria should be used by a referee in determining wether or not to give a time out after a made basket? Team A shoots and makes a basket, Team B recovers the ball and is attempting to throw the ball in to start a break. Should the referee give the time out to the team A?
This issue was addressed with great precision last season by the NFHS.

2006-07 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 9: With less than one minute to play in the fourth quarter, Team A scores a field goal to tie the game. B1, standing under the basket after the score, secures the ball and begins heading to the end line for the ensuing throw-in. A1 requests and is granted a time-out. RULING: Legal procedure. Team A may request and be granted a time-out until the ensuing throw-in begins. The throw-in does not begin until B1 has the ball at his/her disposal and the official has begun the five-second count.

todd pen Wed Aug 22, 2007 01:45am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
This issue was addressed with great precision last season by the NFHS.

2006-07 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 9: With less than one minute to play in the fourth quarter, Team A scores a field goal to tie the game. B1, standing under the basket after the score, secures the ball and begins heading to the end line for the ensuing throw-in. A1 requests and is granted a time-out. RULING: Legal procedure. Team A may request and be granted a time-out until the ensuing throw-in begins. The throw-in does not begin until B1 has the ball at his/her disposal and the official has begun the five-second count.
Ok thats great! So again I was correct and the ref was not as our team had secured the ball and was attempting to inbound the ball. I had the ball in my hands and was OOB ready to make a throw in.
So I do not understand your post if you are suggesting something other than what was already stated.
BTW we do use NFHS rules.

Nevadaref Wed Aug 22, 2007 02:01am
My post wasn't suggesting anything. It was simply informing you of precisely what the rule is.

Clearly you didn't know, and likely have never looked at a rule book, but as you had the sense to ask, I thought that I would help educate you.

todd pen Wed Aug 22, 2007 02:10am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
My post wasn't suggesting anything. It was simply informing you of precisely what the rule is.

Clearly you didn't know, and likely have never looked at a rule book, but as you had the sense to ask, I thought that I would help educate you.
Well isnt that just indignant of you to say! Clearly I have read a rule book, and I did know, but at the time did not have my rule book sitting on the bench for easy reference. Also I asked as my rule book is an 05/06, rules change and I wanted to make sure by asking the question to current proffesionals.
I do appreciate the education, but do not appreciate the indignant comment, I have been curtious, maybe you should as well.

Nevadaref Wed Aug 22, 2007 04:03am
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Originally Posted by todd pen
Well isnt that just indignant of you to say! Clearly I have read a rule book, and I did know, but at the time did not have my rule book sitting on the bench for easy reference. Also I asked as my rule book is an 05/06, rules change and I wanted to make sure by asking the question to current proffesionals.
I do appreciate the education, but do not appreciate the indignant comment, I have been curtious, maybe you should as well.
You think that I was angry? :confused: Perhaps you are in need of a dictionary. If you had written ignorant, your sentence would have at least made sense.

Anyway, you certainly weren't courteous (which you can't even spell :eek: ), rather your posts have been haughty and self-conceited. It is obvious that all that you were concerned with was being told that you were right and that the referee in your rec league game was wrong. Well, guess what? I don't care.
I posted merely to inform and state the rule for someone who might come along and read this thread, not to stroke your ego or say who was right and who was not.
Furthermore, you asked what criteria should be used to determine when a time-out should no longer be granted to the scoring team by an official. My post gave the exact two (disposal and the five-second count having begun), which I highlighted in red. Prior to my post only disposal had been mentioned, yet you arrogantly dismissed the extra information contained therein as having already been stated, when really you simply failed to grasp the clearer answering of your original question due to your being overjoyed that a previous poster had written that you were right. You even referred to that as your vindication. :rolleyes: The truth is that after hearing that you became uninterested in learning anything more. That is too bad because judging by what you have written in this thread, your education could use some furthering.

For example:
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Originally Posted by todd pen
What criteria should be used by a referee in determining wether or not to give a time out after a made basket?
There are two ways to spell that word depending upon the meaning required, yet you picked neither.

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Originally Posted by todd pen
Then has the gaul to say ...
Gaul is an ancient country of Western Europe. Gall means brazen boldness or audacity.

todd pen Wed Aug 22, 2007 05:58am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
You think that I was angry? :confused: Perhaps you are in need of a dictionary. If you had written ignorant, your sentence would have at least made sense.

Anyway, you certainly weren't courteous (which you can't even spell :eek: ), rather your posts have been haughty and self-conceited. It is obvious that all that you were concerned with was being told that you were right and that the referee in your rec league game was wrong. Well, guess what? I don't care.
I posted merely to inform and state the rule for someone who might come along and read this thread, not to stroke your ego or say who was right and who was not.
Furthermore, you asked what criteria should be used to determine when a time-out should no longer be granted to the scoring team by an official. My post gave the exact two (disposal and the five-second count having begun), which I highlighted in red. Prior to my post only disposal had been mentioned, yet you arrogantly dismissed the extra information contained therein as having already been stated, when really you simply failed to grasp the clearer answering of your original question due to your being overjoyed that a previous poster had written that you were right. You even referred to that as your vindication. :rolleyes: The truth is that after hearing that you became uninterested in learning anything more. That is too bad because judging by what you have written in this thread, your education could use some furthering.

For example:

There are two ways to spell that word depending upon the meaning required, yet you picked neither.


Gaul is an ancient country of Western Europe. Gall means brazen boldness or audacity.
You are an idiot.
As far as my spelling, well I guess you have me there, but you fail to mention that I had neither become irreverent or rude until your follow-up post which referred to my knowledge.
I am ever so fortunate that you are not located anywhere near me as I can tell by your attitude in these posts that you must have many issues that are far from being resolved.
Consider therapy for these issues.
Upon further reading of all posts previous to your own, the answers were direct and friendly, whereas your own was disgusting and debasing.
I really feel for anyone who has the unfortunate task of having to be anywhere near you at any given time.
Please do this thread a huge favor and just stay away from it in the future. Clear to me is that what you think of yourself is something that few others appreciate.
In closing, my question was answered effectively by your superior peers, and there will be no further need for you to reply.

Jurassic Referee Wed Aug 22, 2007 06:33am
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You are an idiot.
True dat.

But he is an idiot <i>savant</i>.

Iow don't mind Doofus. He's a legend in his own mind.:D

Y'all come back.

mbyron Wed Aug 22, 2007 07:41am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
The throw-in does not begin until B1 has the ball at his/her disposal and the official has begun the five-second count.
In fact, todd pen was wrong. Although your team might have had the ball, it's unclear from your description whether the official had begun the five-second count.

Notice the conjunction: AND. Both of these conditions in the rule must be met before the throw-in has begun and it's too late to call a TO. Since the official called the TO, I would surmise that he had NOT begun the five-second count, in which case he would be following correct procedure.

Thanks for playing.

Dan_ref Wed Aug 22, 2007 07:48am
Off-topic question..but what is there about internet forums that causes people to fly off the handle at the slightest provocation? People generally don't address each other in this rude, aggressive way in person...sigh. Can't we all just get along?


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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
True dat.

But he is an idiot <i>savant</i>.

Iow don't mind Doofus. He's a legend in his own mind.:D

Y'all come back.
Why don't you just STFU you ignorant irrelevant old fool.

(btw I agree with you, which doesn't make me ignorant or irrelevant or old)

Bad Zebra Wed Aug 22, 2007 07:53am
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Originally Posted by mbyron
In fact, todd pen was wrong.
That's kinda strong. We really don't have enough information from the description he gave to make that definitive statement.

FWIW, I think everyone's kinda piling on Todd Pen. He just asked for a rule clarification from an expert source. Maybe he wants to be a snot with the official that made the call, but I think he was pretty respectful here. Why the nastiness?


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