In case you haven't hear...Joey Crawford

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Uhmmm...unless you are posting under both dave30 and CoachJinx, you need to dake a deep breath and slow down here...the only one being disparaged for being a fanboy in this thread is Jinxie-poo. The specific comments you replied to here were a direct reply to Jinxed-up...not sure why you're getting your tail all bunched up here...

Visit the thread that was locked and see how critical opinions from officials, before the suspension was issued, were responded to.

[Nevadaref]

Dan_ref must be an old guy.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Dan_ref must be an old guy.

Someday you will be too. And if you "still have game" and you still love to ref, you might be singing a different tune.

There are several "older refs" in our HS association as well as the junior college games that I ref who are fantastic officials. They need to stay, not go! Experience is a huge asset.

Joey Crawford's 29 years are a credit to him. He made a mistake but to say that his experience is part of the problem is..... ignorant at best.

[JugglingReferee]

I have no idea what who said to whom, but if Tim D was fined 25 grand, how is a double T a bad call?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Coach Jinx

TO all my fans out there...told you SO!!!

Officiating resume, fanboy?

[Coach Jinx]

had to help my wife(I'm not 14)so let me finsih what I was talking about. joey did not make a mistake he went after someone. He made it personal & attacked TD for whatever dumb reason. Since I'm a young guy they try & tell me how to be negative towards people or not correct an mistake they make. Happened this weekend while I was doing a college football scrimmage. Older guy telling me it was DPI & I told in no way in hell it was. During the film review observer gave me a THAT A BOY on a GREAT NO CALL!!!(SEE I REALLY AM AN OFFICIAL)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Coach Jinx

jurrasic is the worst, I hate when I work with guys like this who aren't very good, have bad attitudes towards players, coaches & fans.

Whointhehell are you trying to kid, fanboy .You've never officiated a game in any sport in your life. Any post that you've made since you came here was made solely to dump on officials.

You're just another troll wandering through the door to see how much crap he can stir up....

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Coach Jinx

... Older guy telling me it was DPI & I told in no way in hell it was. During the film review observer gave me a THAT A BOY on a GREAT NO CALL!!!(SEE I REALLY AM AN OFFICIAL)

Jinxie Boy...this post is what really gives you away. Any legit official is here to learn...to get feedback from eachother...to push themselves with rules knowledge. Your posts just try to prop yourself up, prove that you're better than "old guys" and tear down real officials. You may have a varsity schedule (a scary thought), but that is a bigger travesty than the Crawford/Duncan situation...then that makes you a fanboy with a whistle, which would be a disservice to players and officials alike.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Someday you will be too. And if you "still have game" and you still love to ref, you might be singing a different tune.

There are several "older refs" in our HS association as well as the junior college games that I ref who are fantastic officials. They need to stay, not go! Experience is a huge asset.

Joey Crawford's 29 years are a credit to him. He made a mistake but to say that his experience is part of the problem is..... ignorant at best.

Joey Crawford is 55 years old. He's still in good shape and doesn't have any more problems keeping up than do younger officials.

Imo, Joey's problem is that he's an official that likes to call a game according to the rules and also doesn't believe in treating the stars any different than the scrubbies. In a league that is solely geared for entertainment and is star based, that just doesn't fly. He's probably not a good fit anymore.

You know at that level that every team has a "book" on every single official. The players and coaches should know what he's like, and if they're smart, they should try to adjust to him rather than vice-versa. Well, unfortunately there's too many knuckleheads in that league that worry more about getting dissed than actually winning. Officiating in the NBA is a hopeless job anymore imo. That's one of the reasons that the league has become basically unwatchable, and their all-star teams are getting the snot beat out of them by the likes of Puerto Rica, Spain and Italy.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You know at that level that every team has a "book" on every single official. The players and coaches should know what he's like, and if they're smart, they should try to adjust to him rather than vice-versa.

What's the baseball equivalent? You may think my strike zone is terrible, but it's not changing for the rest of the game, so get used to it? (The more eloquent version would be appreciated, if anyone knows it.)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Someday you will be too. And if you "still have game" and you still love to ref, you might be singing a different tune.

There are several "older refs" in our HS association as well as the junior college games that I ref who are fantastic officials. They need to stay, not go! Experience is a huge asset.

Joey Crawford's 29 years are a credit to him. He made a mistake but to say that his experience is part of the problem is..... ignorant at best.

When I reach 50, I'm giving it up. I'm not going to be one of those old-timers that I see out there just holding on.

I would like to see the NCAA and the NBA follow the lead of FIFA and put in an age cap. FIFA's is 45. Doesn't matter who you are, after that age is attained, you must hang 'em up.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

When I reach 50, I'm giving it up. I'm not going to be one of those old-timers that I see out there just holding on.

I would like to see the NCAA and the NBA follow the lead of FIFA and put in an age cap. FIFA's is 45. Doesn't matter who you are, after that age is attained, you must hang 'em up.

Just because you want to give it up at 50 doesn't mean others should have to. I ref with some guys in their 50's that keep themselves in fabulous shape and can run circles around the younger guys. They are far from "just holding on." They are excelling in all aspects of the game.

I saw some fantastic NCAA officials over the age of 50 this season. I saw some young, new faces that were obviously struggling. I also see some "younger officials" who do not stay in shape year-round and they struggle with injuries frequently.

There is no substitute for experience.

Age shouldn't be the issue. It should be all about performance.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Just because you want to give it up at 50 doesn't mean others should have to. I ref with some guys in their 50's that keep themselves in fabulous shape and can run circles around the younger guys. They are far from "just holding on." They are excelling in all aspects of the game.

I saw some fantastic NCAA officials over the age of 50 this season. I saw some young, new faces that were obviously struggling. I also see some "younger officials" who do not stay in shape year-round and they struggle with injuries frequently.

There is no substitute for experience.

Age shouldn't be the issue. It should be all about performance.

I'd like to see some evidence that Crawford and Bavetta "underperform" enough that they should "go" as you stated. Both were in the NBA finals last year, no?

If Crawford had chucked Beno Udrih instead of Tim Duncan, nobody would have cared.

Did he get into it too much with Duncan - maybe, probably, I'm not sure. But it sure looks like Stern was looking for a reason to pull the plug on him.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

I'd like to see some evidence that Crawford and Bavetta "underperform" enough that they should "go" as you stated. Both were in the NBA finals last year, no?

If Crawford had chucked Beno Udrih instead of Tim Duncan, nobody would have cared.

Did he get into it too much with Duncan - maybe, probably, I'm not sure. But it sure looks like Stern was looking for a reason to pull the plug on him.

canuckrefguy,

I assume you meant to reply to Nevadaref instead of me because it was him that said they should "go."

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by zebraman

I saw some fantastic NCAA officials over the age of 50 this season. I saw some young, new faces that were obviously struggling. I also see some "younger officials" who do not stay in shape year-round and they struggle with injuries frequently.

There is no substitute for experience.

Age shouldn't be the issue. It should be all about performance.

I don't necessarily agree with the 50 year old thing, but wanted to point some things out.

Some of the younger officials who could be perceived to be struggling could have been calling the game as Mr. Nichols would like it to be called. Sometimes coaches are all over officials they don't know/trust - as if a coach's trust is a determining factor in how good an official is.

Gaining experience now is different from 20 years ago. Look at the thread with the list of camps and look at how much basketball is out there.

Yes, age shouldn't be the issue and performance should. However, if that was the case the whole landscape of officiating could and probably would change.

Although I think NBA officials are the best in the world, there was probably a mistake in this situation. Joey Crawford is one of the best officials in the game and I don't really believe it is all on him - Duncan did get a fine. I don't agree with suspending him for the rest of the year either. A $25,000 fine for Duncan is nothing. Stern does what is best for the league to keep making money.
There have been rumors of Bevetta taking over for Ronnie Nunn when he retires.

Now, back to the arguments.