Screen question with video

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I hope that JR is reading this thread because I am going to request his opinion on my post because he has been at this even longer that I have.

1) The video appears to be at less than regular speed. With that in mind, A2 set a legal screen against B1 who is guarding A1.

2) Any ruling I give will be the same for NFHS, NCAA Men's/Women's, and FIBA.

3) NFHS R4-S40-A1 states: A screen is legal action by a player who, without causing contact, delays or prevents an opponent from reaching a desired position.

4) The phrase "without causing contact" refers to illegal contact by the player being screened.

5) Based upon what I saw on the video, I would have ruled that A2 set a legal screen and the contact by B1 was not a foul. Why, you ask is B1's contact not a foul? NFHS R4-S19-A1 states: A person foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live, which hinders an opponent from performing normal defensive and offensive movements. A person foul also includes contact by or on an airborne shooter when the ball is dead. NOTE: Contact after the ball has become dead is ignored unless it is ruled intentional or flagrant or is committed by or an airborner shooter. While B1's contact with A2 caused A2 to fall down, notice that B1 stopped as soon as she made contact with A2; B1 did not move through A2.

6) On a personal note, I do not believe an official ever has a "no call." A "no call" means that an official saw something illegal and decided not to penalize it. Either nothing illegal happened or something illegal happened and it must be penalized.

MTD, Sr.

[RookieDude]

6) On a personal note, I do not believe an official ever has a "no call." A "no call" means that an official saw something illegal and decided not to penalize it. Either nothing illegal happened or something illegal happened and it must be penalized.

Sorry Mark...but, a "no call" to me means "I got nuthin'"...nothing more, nothing less.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I hope that JR is reading this thread because I am going to request his opinion on my post because he has been at this even longer that I have.

1) The video appears to be at less than regular speed. With that in mind, A2 set a legal screen against B1 who is guarding A1.

2) Any ruling I give will be the same for NFHS, NCAA Men's/Women's, and FIBA.

3) NFHS R4-S40-A1 states: A screen is legal action by a player who, without causing contact, delays or prevents an opponent from reaching a desired position.

4) The phrase "without causing contact" refers to illegal contact by the player being screened.

5) Based upon what I saw on the video, I would have ruled that A2 set a legal screen and the contact by B1 was not a foul. Why, you ask is B1's contact not a foul? NFHS R4-S19-A1 states: A person foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live, which hinders an opponent from performing normal defensive and offensive movements. A person foul also includes contact by or on an airborne shooter when the ball is dead. NOTE: Contact after the ball has become dead is ignored unless it is ruled intentional or flagrant or is committed by or an airborner shooter. While B1's contact with A2 caused A2 to fall down, notice that B1 stopped as soon as she made contact with A2; B1 did not move through A2.

6) On a personal note, I do not believe an official ever has a "no call." A "no call" means that an official saw something illegal and decided not to penalize it. Either nothing illegal happened or something illegal happened and it must be penalized.

MTD, Sr.

Fwiw, Mark, I finally got the video to play. I thought that it was a legal screen also, and it was properly no-called( ) The screener had the feet down and gave a step, and the player being screened stopped on contact.

I also agree with Rookie Dude on the "no call" terminology. That's pretty much standard official speak amongst us gals.

[JRutledge]

I cannot see how anyone can call this a foul. The screen was stationary and the screener looked like they took two steps before any contact. This is a classic no call. Basketball is a contact sport. There is going to sometimes be contact.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

6) On a personal note, I do not believe an official ever has a "no call." A "no call" means that an official saw something illegal and decided not to penalize it. Either nothing illegal happened or something illegal happened and it must be penalized.

MTD, Sr.

You are right, this is a personal note. I will still use the terminology because it fits the description.

Peace

[Man In Blue]

Was the white sweatband legal? Because then it has to be a foul (just like stepping on the out of bound line is always a block!)

[Man In Blue]

Also I was trying to see the lead official. He is in position to call the on the ball, but it doesn't look like he has the defense (screen). This is an easy call if you are refing the defense. If you only see the girl go to the floor it is a difficult call!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Man In Blue

Was the white sweatband legal? Because then it has to be a foul (just like stepping on the out of bound line is always a block!)

I know you were kidding, but..... why wouldn't a white sweatband be legal?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I know you were kidding, but..... why wouldn't a white sweatband be legal?

If four other players on her team were wearing blue? Or maybe it's too big, or maybe....

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Sweatband!! What sweatband? I could care less about the color of sweatbands. I know that is a terrible attitude to take, but the Rules Committee members just have way too much time on their hands.

MTD, Sr.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Sweatband!! What sweatband? I could care less about the color of sweatbands. I know that is a terrible attitude to take, but the Rules Committee members just have way too much time on their hands.

MTD, Sr.

sick em JR sick em

I make a comment about being "lax" regarding the fashion police stuff and get a -- "rules are rules" lecture from JR (jurassic that is).

Sr. whats your secret to the free pass?