Automatic T worthy?

H.S. level coach or player says "That's horrible/terrible" in regards to a call made by you or your partner that doesn't favor their team.

Do you all T em up right away?

How about the same comments on the wreck level?

What are some other phrases that equal an automatic?


Thanks

[truerookie]

A comment like that's horrible or terrible. I normally pass on from their angle it may be horrible or terrible. If they stated something like. Ref, you are horrible or terrible. I give them the bizness.


Automatic T's my opinion: Slamming chair/cilpboard down. Commenting that my partner is horrible or terrible

[SWMOzebra]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Automatic T's my opinion: Slamming chair/clipboard down. Commenting that my partner is horrible or terrible

Agreed....and add to this list vulgar or obscene language and gestures. Note that your personal discretion will have to be applied for what you consider to be "vulgar or obscene language."

[deecee]

is it just me but I think slamming a chair down -- ala mr. Knight -- would get an ejection from me -- depends on severity but -- at the HS level IMO its off to the showers.

[OHBBREF]

Race - cheating - personal - will get an immediate response.
sometimes the language depends on who heard it?
If you can deal with it quietly it can fit the game managment mode better, but the MF, the F, words can not be dealt with any other way.

I have a new way of dealing with some of it this year.
" ... That one was free the next one is going to cost you"

they know you heard it and they know there will be consequenses -

[Junker]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Race - cheating - personal - will get an immediate response.
sometimes the language depends on who heard it?
If you can deal with it quietly it can fit the game managment mode better, but the MF, the F, words can not be dealt with any other way.

I have a new way of dealing with some of it this year.
" ... That one was free the next one is going to cost you"

they know you heard it and they know there will be consequenses -

So if I, a white guy, call someone else a cracker that's an automatic T? What if only you and the player hear the F or MF words? I'm not trying to be a smartass, I just think "automatic T's" are too much of a generalization.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Junker

So if I, a white guy, call someone else a cracker that's an automatic T? What if only you and the player hear the F or MF words? I'm not trying to be a smartass, I just think "automatic T's" are too much of a generalization.

I've successfully dealt with the F word without a T before. It was purely a frustration thing, but I heard it a couple times. I happened to be by her bench shortly after that and asked the coach to deal with it. He thanked me, and I didn't have a problem the rest of the game.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Junker

So if I, a white guy, call someone else a cracker that's an automatic T? What if only you and the player hear the F or MF words? I'm not trying to be a smartass, I just think "automatic T's" are too much of a generalization.

I should probably specify -
calling me an MF'er or an FU is going to get you lit up. that one really doesn't matter who else heard it.

Now that I think about it you are right on the other items they are not automatic.

[Junker]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

I should probably specify -
calling me an MF'er or an FU is going to get you lit up. that one really doesn't matter who else heard it.

Now that I think about it you are right on the other items they are not automatic.

That was the point I was trying to get at. The more I officiate, the less I talk about absolutes and automatics, but then I consitently have the most technicals on my HS crew.

[SeanFitzRef]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

I should probably specify -
calling me an MF'er or an FU is going to get you lit up. that one really doesn't matter who else heard it.

Now that I think about it you are right on the other items they are not automatic.

Comment made after I called a jump ball in a reckless league game, on a guy who whined all game long: "This MF'er is terrible!" Partner didn't move to whack, so I whack 'em. Disappointed that my partner didn't get him, since he was two feet away, but oh well.

One rule of thumb I have for reckless league ball: I don't really talk or discuss calls, and if they over-react to calls, I give them the Old School Stare of Impending Technical Pain (& free throws) (tm).

[Texas Aggie]

I don't have a problem using automatic. If you toss something in anger or frustration, that's an automatic T. If you charge at me or come onto the court being demonstrative in any way, that's an automatic T. Personal comments are pretty much automatic T's, unless its at the VERY end of the game, its obvious the coach wants you to serve him up so he can blame you, and its out of ear shot of virtually everyone else.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

H.S. level coach or player says "That's horrible/terrible" in regards to a call made by you or your partner that doesn't favor their team.

Do you all T em up right away?

No.

Originally Posted by Ch1town

How about the same comments on the wreck level?

I do not do "WREAK" ball so I cannot answer that question.

Originally Posted by Ch1town

What are some other phrases that equal an automatic?

I really hate to use the term automatic. A lot of decisions like this change based on game situation, level, loudness and what happen during the other part of the game. I may address the issue, but not automatically give a T.

Peace

[Junker]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I really hate to use the term automatic. A lot of decisions like this change based on game situation, level, loudness and what happen during the other part of the game. I may address the issue, but not automatically give a T.

Peace

This is a great post about giving a T. A lot of variables can be going on at the moment so calling something and "automatic T" is a little shortsighted. A coach saying a call was horrible or terrible may be a T, it may also be a time when you can let the coach know he or she needs to coach the players, not us. There are even times when comments like these need to be ignored.

[tjones1]

No.

Rec league, I don't do, but if I did...yes I would whack'em.

[Snake~eyes]

Originally Posted by Junker

This is a great post about giving a T. A lot of variables can be going on at the moment so calling something and "automatic T" is a little shortsighted. A coach saying a call was horrible or terrible may be a T, it may also be a time when you can let the coach know he or she needs to coach the players, not us. There are even times when comments like these need to be ignored.

I agree that many Ts require your judgement and are defintiely not automatic Ts, like "that's horrible." But there are some definite clear cut automatics.