Automatic First Down?

leegrad95 · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2005, 09:42pm

Here was the situation...3rd and 8 from the 13 yard line. After the play there was a personal foul on the defense. So the penalty was stepped off half the distance to the goal. This took the ball to the 7. Should it have been 1 and 10 (automatic first down) or 4th and 2?

TXMike · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2005, 09:46pm

1st and goal at the 7

leegrad95 · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2005, 09:48pm

Thanks, I meant to say 1st and goal...

Patton · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2005, 09:50pm

I believe TXMike spoke for those using NCAA rules.

For NFHS, personal fouls are NOT automatic 1st downs. Should be 4th and 2.

leegrad95 · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2005, 09:53pm

I am sorry I should have specified...it was a high school game...so it isnt an automatic first down in high school?

TXMike · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2005, 09:54pm

YEP, I should have put that (NCAA) in there. Sorry.

TXMike · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2005, 09:54pm

Quote:

Originally posted by leegrad95
I am sorry I should have specified...it was a high school game...so it isnt an automatic first down in high school?

It is in Texas and Mass. (NCAA rules used in HS there)

Texas Aggie · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2005, 09:56pm

High school games in Texas and Mass. use NCAA rules, so Mike is right if you are in one of those states, otherwise, go with the Fed gurus.

leegrad95 · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2005, 09:56pm

Is there a list somewhere that tells which rules are used in which states...I am in West Virginia...

Patton · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2005, 10:00pm

WV uses NFHS rules and like I said this is not an automatic 1st.

Texas Aggie · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2005, 10:02pm

Texas and Mass. are the ONLY states that use NCAA rules (with exceptions, at least for Tx).

Unless someone recently changed. Everyone else uses Federation rules.