Playoff Tech.

[blindmanwalking]

If it was severe enough for a call, you made the right one. Trust your judgement.

[TimTaylor]

tmp44,

From your OP it sounds like the push was a deliberate act on the part of A1, and if so it qualifies as intentional on that basis alone. I have no problem with your T in this instance. IMHO it's better to stop this crap immediately than to let it fester & possibly explode into something worse later on. Good job getting in there & keeping it from escalating!

[Time2Ref]

Originally Posted by tmp44

Thoughts? One of the officials in my association who was at the game last night mentioned that, because it was a playoff game, maybe I should have held off on the T...anyone agree w/ that philosophy?

Game getting out of control. You had to get things in control. You can't let one team start taking cheap shots. It only escalates from there. That would make for a very ugly 4th quarter.

You were there. You got things under control. You did the right thing.

[Terrapins Fan]

Old School said-

1)Calling intentional fouls that are not obvious to everyone in the gym in a girls game is over officiating.
2)Let the players decide the game.
3)When we're not notice is when we do our best.
4)Girls play ball and they play very smart. Rarely do you see "intentional acts" in girls ball.

I disagree with pretty much EVERYTHING you said here.
1)so we should worry about what the fans see?
2) agreed
3)Outright lie. We always get noticed no matter what we do, half the fans in the gym are yelling about something.
4) do you ref girls? If a girls gets pushed or shoved, you better watch the play at the other end, because I have heard the girls say "that b!tch isn't getting away with that" I have seen a girl get foulded on a lay up and turn and push the girl who fouled her.

Girls are way worse at retaliation.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I disagree with pretty much EVERYTHING you said here.
1)so we should worry about what the fans see? I did not say that!
2) agreed
3)Outright lie. We always get noticed no matter what we do, half the fans in the gym are yelling about something.

Shows what you know. When officials are hardly noticed in the game is when we do our best. Haven't you ever heard someone say I barely knew you guys where out there. That's because it was a good game, players played and everybody's attention was on the game. There was not much that needed to be called, and the best point, when a call needed to be made, you make it, nobody's got any complaints because everybody saw the say thing. The offcials are on top of it today.

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Girls are way worse at retaliation.

I can't believe you said this. If you really believe this, than I got some land in Florida for sale.

[Terrapins Fan]

Old school do you referee girls basketball?

I still completely disagree with EVERYTHING you said. PERIOD. I am not even sure you are an official.

No I have never seen a game where anyone said " I didn't even know you guys were there".

I go to over 100 basketball games a year. I have for over 10 years. NEVER are the officials ignored.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

Shows what you know. When officials are hardly noticed in the game is when we do our best. Haven't you ever heard someone say I barely knew you guys where out there. That's because it was a good game, players played and everybody's attention was on the game. There was not much that needed to be called, and the best point, when a call needed to be made, you make it, nobody's got any complaints because everybody saw the say thing. The offcials are on top of it today.

This ties for....

[tomegun]

For some reason, my previous post is gone.

It sounds like the OP did what is right. If anyone doesn't make a call because it is a playoff or big game, that official is a coward. I don't understand why the importance - to the teams - of a game means some things would be overlooked. Doesn't add up to me.

[tomegun]

I'm squarely in the camp that believes Old School doesn't referee at all.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think he probably referees, he just does not know what he is talking about. There are officials that think they know a lot more than what they have actually done.

From his very own lips.....

http://forum.officiating.com/showthr...533#post359533

Rec leagues for 10 years before he even opened a rule book......

Old School has also stated in another post that he's done well over 10,000 games since 1990. He's also posted that he's a college official and an assignor.

You're up to date now. Please show the proper respect.

[JRutledge]

This just proves that he does not know what he is talking about.

Peace

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by tmp44

Thoughts? One of the officials in my association who was at the game last night mentioned that, because it was a playoff game, maybe I should have held off on the T...anyone agree w/ that philosophy?

When I think about games like the SuperBowl or FF games, it seems to me that the games are officiated the same way. Players and coaches are used to regular season officiating. Why change philosophy becuase it's a playoff game. Granted, playoff officials will be used, who might have an advanced understanding implementing rules, but I don't think you should change a call because it's a playoff game.

In playoff games I've done, it's been obvious to me that the players and coaches *really* want a game flow, so I am extra sure that I don't hinder that notion.

If crap happens and you don't deal with it, it will re-appear.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tmp44

When the coach asked what the T was for, I told him that it was dead ball contact that, 1) had it been live ball, would have been a common foul or very possibly even an intentional, and 2) was unsportsmanlike towards B1.

You probably could have left number 1 out your explanation and just stuck with number 2. A1 shoved B1 during a deadball. That's an easy T to call and requires very little explanation. Play-off or not is really of no consequence.

[TRef21]

Originally Posted by tmp44

Girls District Playoff quarterfinal last night. Team A (#10 seed) is beating Team B (#2 seed) all night. 3 minutes left in the 3rd, Team A up 12. Team B is beginning to get frustrated because they're losing to a team that they shouldn't be losing to. I'm T and we have a tie-up in the corner, my side. I run in as I'm calling the jump ball. B1 ends up with the ball and, as I'm running in, A1 gives B1 what I can only describe as an "elbow shove" to the back. B1 turns around with a pissed off look in her face and the ball in her hands, but she was smart and didn't throw the ball at A1 although she looked like she might. I whacked A1. When the coach asked what the T was for, I told him that it was dead ball contact that, 1) had it been live ball, would have been a common foul or very possibly even an intentional, and 2) was unsportsmanlike towards B1.

Thoughts? One of the officials in my association who was at the game last night mentioned that, because it was a playoff game, maybe I should have held off on the T...anyone agree w/ that philosophy?

I would recommend seeing the whole play. Yes the ball is dead but you don't have to be quick on the TECH. You may be able to talk your way out of it. If she throws the ball at the player you have a flagrant technical and she is ejected. If it's a stare down then 50/50 you could have something. If I had stare down I would issue a double technical to send a message, so both can get put into the light. Did you tech B1 for the elbow? If not then I feel A should not have been teched since contact was initiated on her. I would be mad to if some gave me an elbow. But that's me. We all have different judgment and none of us where there. So we can only go with what we are mentally picturing right now. In your case I would not have teched. Please read the situation I had the past year and tell me what you would do.


I had a situation in a JC game this year where the home team comes back from 20 down and loses by 3. Home team wanted time out on an interrupted dribble, the ball is stolen and scored on the other end. I grant the home time out and the coach came running up to me yelling I wanted time out. I gave him options. Let me tell you why I can't grant the time out to you. He was like dont talk to me. He was walking back to his huddle and said F YOU. So I wack him. Some say I'm right some say I should have bit since that possible lost the game for them in a consolation championship. Two DI guys said you gave him options. No matter if they fans can't hear it and it was regarded towards you and you need to draw the line.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by TRef21

Did you tech B1 for the elbow? If not then I feel A should not have been teched since contact was initiated on her. I would be mad to if some gave me an elbow. But that's me.

In tmp44's scenario, B1 did not throw an elbow and did not throw the basketball at anybody. You only give Tech's if 2 people do something wrong?