Reasons for Players Attitudes

[TimTaylor]

I agree with the others. When the line is crossed, it's the officials' responsibility to penalize the disruptive behavior.

There is a difference between a coach whining and actively protesting almost every call. I'll ignore the former as long as it's not disruptive, but the latter needs to be dealt with. There was an article in Referee a couple months back on communicating with coaches - had some good tips on when & how to respond to a coach's comments, and just as importantly, when to ignore them.

The "Why are you even here? We would be better off if you had never come out of the locker room." comment would have drawn an immediate T. If he didn't immediately change his behavior as a result, then as Dan_ref said, it's very unlikely he would be around long enough to do much complaining - and certainly not make the post game comment.

[Terrapins Fan]

OK, I am in my 7th year. Last night in the 2nd game ( it wasn't as bad as the first ) I am with 2 guys that have over 20 years each. Neither of them called a "T" on either coach and there was complaining, just not as much.

If I "T" up every coach that deserves it, I won't be working.

I "T"ed up a coach last year and he called my assignor and banned me from his home games.

The way I feel is as long as it doen't get personal, it doesn't affect me.

Please tell me this, are you guys doing games and the coaches aren't complaining? I NEVER see a game like that. Our games here are more like what you see when Maryland plays ( and Gary Williams is complaining constantly ) or Bob Knight is coaching and working the refs.

Also, why ask the coach if he wants a T? By that point in the game there should be no leeway. The comment was personal in nature and questioned your ability. Immediate T in my book whenever it gets personal.

Again, I go back to the coaches line " why are you even here" He was close to crossing the line, but remember, in my area, we have 15 schools that we cover with 39 officials. We all know one another. This guy, I used to coach with. I coached for 11 years. That doesn't mean I won't give him a "T" if I need to, but I understand who he is.

Say what you will, my goal is to be fair to the kids. This was a great comeback game for the home team. The visitors fell apart after half time. Part of that could have been my officiating, I say that because I was told at half time that the official that I replaced wasn't calling much, he missed walks and a few fouls because he was sick and slow on the whistle. I called everything I saw.

There are times in a game when we know we missed a call, in this game I felt very good. I missed have missed a tap out of bounds or two ( on which team tapped it out ), but that was about it. Remember, I came into this game half through the event, I am trying to catch on what is going on in the game as it progresses.

[Texas Aggie]

Why are you even here?" , "We would be better off if you had never come out of the locker room"

What part of this do you think is NOT personal?

[Junker]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

If I "T" up every coach that deserves it, I won't be working.

I "T"ed up a coach last year and he called my assignor and banned me from his home games.

It sounds like maybe the issue here isn't you, it is your association. Why are coaches making decisions to "ban" officials from games? I can see letting them make a request, but your assignor needs to back you better. I'm really lucky to have the assignors I work for. If you don't enforce sportsmanship, you won't be working. That's the way it should be in my opinion.

[Terrapins Fan]

I agree with you. Coaches should not ban officials, but it happens ALL of the time here. We have several officials banned from different schools.

I have no horse in any game. I go to do the best job I can.

Again as far is what the coach said, I felt he was close to getting the "T", one more comment and I would have rung him up, But after I asked him if he wanted a "T" also, he calmed down.

Most of you guys were never a coach, I was, I understand how coaches think, you want to know how they think?

They think that YOU are out to get them. They think that YOU hate them. And they HATE YOU. They also think they know the rules better than you do. Believe it or don't I was one of them.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Most of you guys were never a coach, I was, I understand how coaches think, you want to know how they think?

They think that YOU are out to get them. They think that YOU hate them. And they HATE YOU. They also think they know the rules better than you do. Believe it or don't I was one of them.

So what? Who cares what they think?

Here's some news from someone who thinks like an official:

Coaches will continue to piss all over you until you change their behavior.
You are unwilling to change their behavior.

And guess what? They *still* hate you, even though you let them piss all over you.

Enjoy.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

And guess what? They *still* hate you, even though you let them piss all over you.

Only now they don't respect you either.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

1) I am with 2 guys that have over 20 years each. Neither of them called a "T" on either coach and there was complaining, just not as much.

2) If I "T" up every coach that deserves it, I won't be working.

3) I "T"ed up a coach last year and he called my assignor and banned me from his home games.

4) The way I feel is as long as it doen't get personal, it doesn't affect me.

5) Please tell me this, are you guys doing games and the coaches aren't complaining? I NEVER see a game like that. Our games here are more like what you see when Maryland plays ( and Gary Williams is complaining constantly ) or Bob Knight is coaching and working the refs.

6) Again, I go back to the coaches line " why are you even here" He was close to crossing the line, but remember, in my area, we have 15 schools that we cover with 39 officials. We all know one another. This guy, I used to coach with. I coached for 11 years. That doesn't mean I won't give him a "T" if I need to, but I understand who he is.

7) Say what you will, my goal is to be fair to the kids.

8) This was a great comeback game for the home team. The visitors fell apart after half time. Part of that could have been my officiating, I say that because I was told at half time that the official that I replaced wasn't calling much, he missed walks and a few fouls because he was sick and slow on the whistle. I called everything I saw.

9) Remember, I came into this game half through the event, I am trying to catch on what is going on in the game as it progresses.

Not bad. Nine excuses why you shouldn't call a technical foul. I'd bet that if you were left alone long enough, you could fill a book.

Again, the coaches are gonna sh!t all over you until you do something about it. If you don't want to do anything about it though, that's fine. Just don't whine about the coaches. You're a heckuva lot more to blame for your problems than they are.

[ChrisSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Again, I go back to the coaches line " why are you even here" He was close to crossing the line, but remember, in my area, we have 15 schools that we cover with 39 officials. We all know one another. This guy, I used to coach with. I coached for 11 years. That doesn't mean I won't give him a "T" if I need to, but I understand who he is.

Since you coached for so long, I'm sure you would have expected an explanation when a different official comes out of the locker room for the second half. As an official, I'm sure before the coaches got the chance to ask, you would offer such an explaination. Your posts does not mention if you did this but I bet it would have had a pretty serious effect on their opinion of how the second half was called. He spent 40+ minutes wondering where the other official is and why you are there and it finally all came out. Just a thought.