Tip in at the buzzer

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Therefore, allow me to alter the play only slightly. The timer fails to start the clock and the official notices this and blows his whistle:
a. while the ball is in flight during A1's long pass.
b. after the ball strikes the backboard in the frontcourt during A1's long pass.
c. after A2 catches A1's pass near the FT line in the frontcourt.
d. after A1's pass strikes the division line.

None of the above.

The ball goes to the closest spot to where it was first touched when the clock was supposed to start. That would be where A1 was the first player to touch the ball on a throw-in or missed FT, I imagine.

Again, you can't administer a new throw-in spot at the POI for any of the "a to d" scenarios unless you also take off the corresponding exact amount of time that was used to reach that spot. And you need "definite knowledge" to do so.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

None of the above.

The ball goes to the closest spot to where it was first touched when the clock was supposed to start. That would be where A1 was the first player to touch the ball on a throw-in or missed FT, I imagine.

Again, you can't administer a new throw-in spot at the POI for any of the "a to d" scenarios unless you also take off the corresponding exact amount of time that was used to reach that spot. And you need "definite knowledge" to do so.

Well 4-36-2a says the throw-in is at the nearest spot to where the ball was located when the stoppage occurred. 4-4-3 tells us that ball location is determined by where the ball last touched a player or the court. Seems that the correct throw-in spot is at that location.

As for what you wrote in red, I totally disagree. Why do you believe that is true? There is nothing in the book saying that is the case.

For example, what if I give you a part e: after A2 catches the pass and scores a goal?
Now are you going to tell me that I can't continue the game with a POI throw-in to Team B along their end line with six seconds still on the clock?

I don't have definite knowledge to change the clock, so what else can I do? I know that you aren't advocating that I cancel the basket and go back to the location where A1 touched the ball and the clock failed to the start. However, that is what your statement in red says. Sorry, but I think that you are incorrect.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Well 4-36-2a says the throw-in is at the nearest spot to where the ball was located when the stoppage occurred. 4-4-3 tells us that ball location is determined by where the ball last touched a player or the court. Seems that the correct throw-in spot is at that location.

Um, yeah. That's exactly what I've been trying to tell you all along.

If the stoppage was with 6 seconds to go, and the clock never started again, where would you administer the throw-in if A1 was the first player to touch the ball on the court when the clock should have started but didn't? Closest spot to where he was when he actually touched the ball or where he subsequently threw the ball?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Well 4-36-2a says the throw-in is at the nearest spot to where the ball was located when the stoppage occurred. 4-4-3 tells us that ball location is determined by where the ball last touched a player or the court. Seems that the correct throw-in spot is at that location.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Um, yeah. That's exactly what I've been trying to tell you all along.

No, you have been trying to tell me to put the throw-in at A1's location.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If the stoppage was with 6 seconds to go, and the clock never started again, where would you administer the throw-in if A1 was the first player to touch the ball on the court when the clock should have started but didn't? Closest spot to where he was when he actually touched the ball or where he subsequently threw the ball?

That's the spot from where I would put the throw-in per the rules. That is not the same as the location of A1. In my examples, only part a would merit a throw-in nearest to the location of A1. In parts b,c,d,and e the throw-in would be at very different spots from where A1 was located. For the record those spots would correctly (per rules 4-36-2a and 4-4-3) be:
b. = end line in Team A's frontcourt
c. = end line in Team A's frontcourt
d. = sideline at the division line
e. = end line in Team B's backcourt with running rights.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref


For the record those spots would correctly (per rules 4-36-2a and 4-4-3) be:[/COLOR

b. = end line in Team A's frontcourt
c. = end line in Team A's frontcourt
d. = sideline at the division line
e. = end line in Team B's backcourt with running rights.

For the record, I think that you're full of doo-doo.

But that's just me.

Carry on, but without me. I'm at the "repeating myself over and over" stage.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

For the record, I think that you're full of doo-doo.

I think he's past the doo-doo stage by now.

He's full of Scapplie-doo-doo.

Argh.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Is it?

Could it possibly be?

Did they really have midget pirates?

There's still hope, folks. We may have found some clues into the mysterious disappearance of Chuck Elias.

Stay tuned for episode 2......