Overtime Chaos

[Adam]

Sometimes I point, discretely, as I count. But hey, I recently stopped counting out loud.

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Yeah, I don't get the point & count thing either.

It's not like you're putting a little check mark on their heads when you point & count 'em.

Nah. I get up real close to them and put a little dent in each of their foreheads.

[illinoisbluezeb]

Originally Posted by bigdogrunnin

Gotta agree with the previous posters. NO WAY am I giving a T for this. I look at Team A coach and say, "Coach, someone has to come off." End of discussion. Team B Coach can yell all he wants. My response, "Coach, that's enough." Now, to avoid this in the future . . .


While looking at the players on the floor, point your index finger toward ONE of the players and say ONE. Then proceed to point your index finger at a different player ON THE SAME TEAM, and say TWO. Repeat process for players 3, 4, and 5. THEN . . . repeat the SAME process for the opposing team's players (1-5). You should never have more than FIVE (5). IF you do, calmly ask the coach of the "almost offending" team to kindly remove one of his/her players. All-in-all should take about 7-10 seconds, but will save a lot of time later when you have to administer that Technical Foul that the Team B coach is yelling about. PREVENTATIVE OFFICIATING!

bigdogrunin I got a chuckle out of this , to me it was clear he was trying to be funny. Next time use or the which ever icon that fits the situation this helps clarify intended effect.

I had a situation where a team came out of the huddle after a TO and had 6 on the floor. I counted the players ( don't remeber if i pointed or not ) and came up with 6. I get the offending coaches attention and tell him he has 6 on the floor. The other coach comes up loudly complaining "You can't do that, you can't tell him he has 6 on the floor, your cheating!!!!" My response was "Your out of the box coach and that is cheating." He looks down then back up, smiles and returns to the bench, I tell him on the way back to my position that I try to avoid T's if i can.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by FishinRef

BV game, 3-man crew, 1st overtime. Preparing for jump to start OT. R is waiting outside center circle, U1 & U2 are in position for jump. Team A has six players on the floor ready for the toss. Team B coach is screaming for a technical foul against Team A. Team A coach gets A6 off the floor prior to Referee entering center circle for the toss. The question is, at what point during the the start of the OT, would you call this T?

Couple of things here. #1. If there are too many players on the court, and play begins, it is the referees fault period. Charge the technical to the offending team but we as a crew blew it. This should never happen and it's a little harder in football where you have to count up 11 players. #2. If the coach was smart, he would not say anything until the toss is release, then he can start screaming. To do it before, he just let us know (before play became live) that we got too many, and yes, I will hold the game up and get the extra player off the court, no violation, thank you coach!

There was actually 3 things wrong here. Referees didn't notice too many players on the court, the opposing coach making everyone aware before the ball is in play and finally one of the coaches sending too many players out to start the OT. Wow! That was an interesting overtime.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Old School

it's a little harder in football where you have to count up 11 players.

Yeah - having to take your shoes off all the time must be a real pain.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Yeah - having to take your shoes off all the time must be a real pain.

11 is less than 16. You should only have to take off one shoe.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

11 is less than 16. You should only have to take off one shoe.

Don't football officials have to count both teams? That would be 22. I guess only officials with extra toes can work games. That's scary.

Wait - you could get to 21 without extra toes if you use your, er, never mind. In fact, that's scarier.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Don't football officials have to count both teams? That would be 22. I guess only officials with extra toes can work games. That's scary.

Wait - you could get to 21 without extra toes if you use your, er, never mind. In fact, that's scarier.

Actually, in American football, there is no need to use the feet or the ____ while counting! Here's why:

Associating a number with a player that you've already identified is only so that you don't identify him again as a player. So, you really only need to count to 10, twice. Once you reach the 10th player, you only need to see one more. If there is more than 1 more, then a flag will/could come out. This decision on whether or not to throw a flag arises at one less than the number or legally prescribed simultaneous participants per team.

In Canadian football, there are 12 per team, so we need to count to 11, twice.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Don't football officials have to count both teams? That would be 22. I guess only officials with extra toes can work games. That's scary.

Actually, no. Depending on your position, you either count the offense or the defense, never both.

So you use your fingers. if you have just one leftover, you're good.