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Old Fri Dec 15, 2006, 11:27am
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Julie -- there is no difference between officiating a boys and a girls game really -- you call fouls based on advantage/disadvantage and a great boys official should also be a great girls official. The fact that they do a hack job reflects more on their character than their ability to officiate.
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Old Fri Dec 15, 2006, 11:32am
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Julie -- there is no difference between officiating a boys and a girls game really -- you call fouls based on advantage/disadvantage and a great boys official should also be a great girls official. The fact that they do a hack job reflects more on their character than their ability to officiate.
I couldn't agree more with this post. Well said.
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Old Fri Dec 15, 2006, 11:34am
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Julie -- there is no difference between officiating a boys and a girls game really -- you call fouls based on advantage/disadvantage and a great boys official should also be a great girls official. The fact that they do a hack job reflects more on their character than their ability to officiate.
Would you also say it works the other way as well - can a great girl's official also be a great boy's official?
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Old Fri Dec 15, 2006, 11:41am
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Would you also say it works the other way as well - can a great girl's official also be a great boy's official?

maybe i should have covered all my @#$@#$ angles again -- I don't differentiate between boys and girls officials. IF you are a good official it won't take you long -- maybe the first 2 possessions -- to figure out what kind of contact can be passed and what needs to be called. Thats why you ARE A GOOD OFFICIAL. We are not curing disease or poverty--we are using judgement and you either have it or not.

The only real caveat would be someone who has only done boys or girls games their whole careers -- it might take them a game or 2 but nevertheless I think an attribute of a great official is the ability to adjust to the level and style of game you are officiating that day.
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Old Fri Dec 15, 2006, 11:50am
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I live in a state where we do double-headers and I think (HS level) an official should take pride in doing a good job regardless. IMO, it has more to do with doing the right thing for the game. I do men's college and have worked more girls high school games this year so far than I did in the last three combined. I don't think there are any absolutes except working to do the best job when an official accepts an assignment.
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Old Fri Dec 15, 2006, 11:53am
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maybe i should have covered all my @#$@#$ angles again
Why is it a problem to cover all your angles? Saying what you mean is a valuable skill, not a pia.
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-- I don't differentiate between boys and girls officials.
Unfortunately, undifferentiation between these officials may lead to not differentiating between the games themselves, which leads to doing a poor job, imho.
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IF you are a good official it won't take you long -- maybe the first 2 possessions -- to figure out what kind of contact can be passed and what needs to be called. Thats why you ARE A GOOD OFFICIAL.
This can be true if you've done the prerequisite study and practice, but it is by no means automatic. A person can be a very bad boys' official, and do a great job in a girls' game if they've never seen that the two are much different.
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We are not curing disease or poverty-
which is relevant, how?
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-we are using judgement and you either have it or not.
I strongly disagree with this. Judgemnt can be learned. I'd bet that at least half of the top college refs have had to learn and re-learn and re-learn again to have judgment and to make the adjustments necessary as they moved up. "Instincts" are nice, but certainly not necessary!
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The only real caveat would be someone who has only done boys or girls games their whole careers -- it might take them a game or 2
I'd venture it would take a lot longer, depending on how long their careers have been.
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but nevertheless I think an attribute of a great official is the ability to adjust to the level and style of game you are officiating that day.
I think that's probably a good generalization, but that greatness is based on experience and study, and can't be learned in one setting.
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Old Fri Dec 15, 2006, 12:01pm
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maybe i should have covered all my @#$@#$ angles again
You did a fine job of covering all those @#$@#$ angles.

The reason I asked is because I know officials that consider the girl's game to be "inferior", and by association, the officials that mainly work girl's games to be "inferior" to officials that only work boys. I agree that if you are a good official, you should be able to adapt to the game at hand, whether it's JH to varsity, or girls to boys.
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Old Fri Dec 15, 2006, 11:34am
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you call fouls based on advantage/disadvantage and a great boys official should also be a great girls official. The fact that they do a hack job reflects more on their character than their ability to officiate.
Wow, that's an incredibly harsh generalization. I think it more likely that a good boys' official simply doesn't realize that the amount of contact needed to gain an unfair advantage in a girls' game may be significantly less than in a boys' game.
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