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Old Tue Nov 07, 2006, 10:57am
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no airborne shooter

Ok college guys, I'm working a college men's JV game tonight and I see that one of the differences between HS and Men's is that Men's has no airborne shooter. Can you give me some examples of how this changes the way some plays should be called? I'm just having a hard time envisioning the ramifications at the moment. Thanks.
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Old Tue Nov 07, 2006, 11:09am
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A1 jumps, releases shot, charges into B1. Count the basket, B1 shoots 1-and-1 if in the bonus.
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Old Tue Nov 07, 2006, 11:56am
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Ok, that makes sense. This is where you get a PC foul that doesn't wipe off the basket. If the PC foul happens before the shot, you do not count the basket, but if the contact happens after the shot, you do count the basket, correct? Thanks, I should have been able to figure that out.
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Old Tue Nov 07, 2006, 11:59am
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This is where you get a PC foul that doesn't wipe off the basket.
It's not a player control foul at all because the shooter has already released the ball, so no more player control. At that point, the contact becomes a pushing foul with no team control, just like a rebounding foul.
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Old Tue Nov 07, 2006, 12:03pm
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Got it, I'm doing 3 things at once here. Thanks for answering my multi-tasking moronic questions.
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Ok college guys, I'm working a college men's JV game tonight and I see that one of the differences between HS and Men's is that Men's has no airborne shooter. Can you give me some examples of how this changes the way some plays should be called? I'm just having a hard time envisioning the ramifications at the moment. Thanks.
Be careful here, there IS an airborne shooter "rule" (definition) under ncaa-m.

What there is in the ncaa rules is an extension of the PC foul definition to include both a player with the ball (airborne or not) and an airborne shooter for women, just as in fed rules. For ncaa-m a PC foul only occurs when a player has control of the ball.
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Old Tue Nov 07, 2006, 03:33pm
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Thanks Dan. I was going off the rules differences stated in the NFHS rulesbook. I did look at the NCAA rulesbook online last season, but since then I have misplaced the web address. You don't happen to have it do you?
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here you go...

http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/20...ball_rules.pdf
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Old Wed Nov 08, 2006, 04:27pm
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Thanks, I looked around but didn't find it.
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Old Wed Nov 08, 2006, 04:45pm
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ITEM: Airborne shooter
NFHS: In air after release of try or tap
NCAA: Men—No rule
Women—Same as NFHS
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Old Wed Nov 08, 2006, 08:55pm
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As Dan said there is an airborne shooter rule in NCAA mens. It is just different. The definition of a player control foul does NOT include the airborne shooter. However, if the shooter is fouled before he returns to the floor after releasing the ball on a try for goal, he is still in the act of shooting and is awarded FTs.
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Old Wed Nov 08, 2006, 09:42pm
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You can say they have an airborne shooter rule, but in all the NCAA literature, they consider that there is not airborne shooter rule in Men's basketball. The only part of the airborne shooter rule that applies to NCAA Men's is the shooter being fouled before they come to the floor. So factually speaking, there is no airborne shooter rule in Men's basketball, but there is in Women's basketball. I know this is semantics, but I will trust how the NCAA form considers what there rules say or do not say.

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You can say they have an airborne shooter rule, but in all the NCAA literature, they consider that there is not airborne shooter rule in Men's basketball.
errr...what about ncaa rule 4.1?

Isn't it part of the ncaa literature?
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Section 1. Airborne Shooter
Art. 1. An airborne shooter is in the act of shooting.

A.R. 67. A1 is in the air on a jump shot in the lane. A1 releases the ball on a try and is fouled by B1, who has jumped in an unsuccessful attempt to block the shot. A1’s try is: (a) successful; or (b) unsuccessful. RULING: A1 shall be an airborne shooter when the ball is released until he or she returns with one foot touching the floor. An airborne shooter shall be in the act of shooting. B1 has fouled A1 in the act of shooting. A1 shall be awarded one free throw in (a), and two in (b).

Art. 2. An airborne shooter is a player who has released the ball on a try for goal until one foot has returned to the floor.
I'm pretty sure there's no specific reference to ncaa-w or ncaa-m in there. It's just ncaa.
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Old Thu Nov 09, 2006, 03:08am
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Appedendix V (page 187 of the NCAA rulebook)

MAJOR RULES DIFFERENCES

Item: Airborne shooter

NFHS: In air after release of try or tap

NCAA: Men--No Rule
Women---Same as NFHS

Says it all for me.

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ITEM: Airborne shooter
NFHS: In air after release of try or tap
NCAA: Men—No rule
Women—Same as NFHS
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