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Junker Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:57am

no airborne shooter
 
Ok college guys, I'm working a college men's JV game tonight and I see that one of the differences between HS and Men's is that Men's has no airborne shooter. Can you give me some examples of how this changes the way some plays should be called? I'm just having a hard time envisioning the ramifications at the moment. Thanks.

Scrapper1 Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:09am

A1 jumps, releases shot, charges into B1. Count the basket, B1 shoots 1-and-1 if in the bonus.

Junker Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:56am

Ok, that makes sense. This is where you get a PC foul that doesn't wipe off the basket. If the PC foul happens before the shot, you do not count the basket, but if the contact happens after the shot, you do count the basket, correct? Thanks, I should have been able to figure that out.

Scrapper1 Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Junker
This is where you get a PC foul that doesn't wipe off the basket.

It's not a player control foul at all because the shooter has already released the ball, so no more player control. At that point, the contact becomes a pushing foul with no team control, just like a rebounding foul.

Junker Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:03pm

Got it, I'm doing 3 things at once here. Thanks for answering my multi-tasking moronic questions.:D

Dan_ref Tue Nov 07, 2006 01:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Junker
Ok college guys, I'm working a college men's JV game tonight and I see that one of the differences between HS and Men's is that Men's has no airborne shooter. Can you give me some examples of how this changes the way some plays should be called? I'm just having a hard time envisioning the ramifications at the moment. Thanks.

Be careful here, there IS an airborne shooter "rule" (definition) under ncaa-m.

What there is in the ncaa rules is an extension of the PC foul definition to include both a player with the ball (airborne or not) and an airborne shooter for women, just as in fed rules. For ncaa-m a PC foul only occurs when a player has control of the ball.

Junker Tue Nov 07, 2006 03:33pm

Thanks Dan. I was going off the rules differences stated in the NFHS rulesbook. I did look at the NCAA rulesbook online last season, but since then I have misplaced the web address. You don't happen to have it do you?

Raymond Tue Nov 07, 2006 04:01pm

here you go...
 
http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/20...ball_rules.pdf

Junker Wed Nov 08, 2006 04:27pm

Thanks, I looked around but didn't find it.

Raymond Wed Nov 08, 2006 04:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

ITEM: Airborne shooter
NFHS: In air after release of try or tap
NCAA: Men—No rule
Women—Same as NFHS

Nevadaref Wed Nov 08, 2006 08:55pm

As Dan said there is an airborne shooter rule in NCAA mens. It is just different. The definition of a player control foul does NOT include the airborne shooter. However, if the shooter is fouled before he returns to the floor after releasing the ball on a try for goal, he is still in the act of shooting and is awarded FTs.

JRutledge Wed Nov 08, 2006 09:42pm

You can say they have an airborne shooter rule, but in all the NCAA literature, they consider that there is not airborne shooter rule in Men's basketball. The only part of the airborne shooter rule that applies to NCAA Men's is the shooter being fouled before they come to the floor. So factually speaking, there is no airborne shooter rule in Men's basketball, but there is in Women's basketball. I know this is semantics, but I will trust how the NCAA form considers what there rules say or do not say.

Peace

Dan_ref Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge
You can say they have an airborne shooter rule, but in all the NCAA literature, they consider that there is not airborne shooter rule in Men's basketball.

errr...what about ncaa rule 4.1?

Isn't it part of the ncaa literature?
Quote:

Section 1. Airborne Shooter
Art. 1. An airborne shooter is in the act of shooting.

A.R. 67. A1 is in the air on a jump shot in the lane. A1 releases the ball on a try and is fouled by B1, who has jumped in an unsuccessful attempt to block the shot. A1’s try is: (a) successful; or (b) unsuccessful. RULING: A1 shall be an airborne shooter when the ball is released until he or she returns with one foot touching the floor. An airborne shooter shall be in the act of shooting. B1 has fouled A1 in the act of shooting. A1 shall be awarded one free throw in (a), and two in (b).

Art. 2. An airborne shooter is a player who has released the ball on a try for goal until one foot has returned to the floor.
I'm pretty sure there's no specific reference to ncaa-w or ncaa-m in there. It's just ncaa.

JRutledge Thu Nov 09, 2006 03:08am

Appedendix V (page 187 of the NCAA rulebook)

MAJOR RULES DIFFERENCES

Item: Airborne shooter

NFHS: In air after release of try or tap

NCAA: Men--No Rule
Women---Same as NFHS

Says it all for me. ;)

Peace

IREFU2 Thu Nov 09, 2006 09:05am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
ITEM: Airborne shooter
NFHS: In air after release of try or tap
NCAA: Men—No rule
Women—Same as NFHS

You are da man!


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