shot hits support wire

[palmettoref]

Hey guys. What are your thoughts on this play?

A–1’s try hits the ring and bounces straight up and touches a wire above the backboard and drops down and passes through the basket. Official allows play to continue. Coach of team B complains to the official that this is erroneously counting a score and can be corrected under 2–10 the correctable error rule. Official rules 2–10 does not apply. Is the official correct?

[Camron Rust]

While the ball hitting such a wire shoud be a violation, this is not a correctable error. The error was in missing an earlier violation. A live ball went through the net and was counted properly. This is no different than when the shooter takes 4 steps while holding the ball just before the shooting and deciding to cancel the score after the coach asks you about it.

[JRutledge]

This is a violation on A1 for causing the ball to go out of bounds on the shot attempt. Basket would not count because the ball would be dead and ruled out of bounds. If no one saw the ball hit the wire, then everything that took place would continue and the basket would count. This is clearly not a correctable error situation if someone did not call a violation.

Peace

[M&M Guy]

I agree with Camron.

I only agree with part of JRut's response. The signature line leaves something to be desired...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I agree with Camron.

I only agree with part of JRut's response. The signature line leaves something to be desired...

I went to the store yesterday and was looking for some gear. There was a bunch of Cubs gear on the shelf. There were fewer Dwayne Wade jerseys than Cubs jerseys. That must say something about the constant success of the Cubs year in and year out.

Peace

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I went to the store yesterday and was looking for some gear. There was a bunch of Cubs gear on the shelf. There were fewer Dwayne Wade jerseys than Cubs jerseys. That must say something about the constant success of the Cubs year in and year out.

Peace

The stores know what sells and what doesn't.

How many Cardinal jerseys were there?

Ok, I'm done. Leave me alone so I can sulk in peace.

[bob jenkins]

Suppose, immediately after the ball goes through the basket, the coach requests and is granted a TO.

The coach approaches the T official and gets the official to agree that the ball hit the wire, but the official thinks that the ball remains in play after doing so.

The coach approaches the L official and gets the L official to agree that the ball hitting the wire makes the ball dead, but the L official didn't see that happen.

The officials talk and T convinces L that the ball hit the wire; L convinces T that the ball should have been dead and the basket shouldn't have counted.

Now what?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

The stores know what sells and what doesn't.

How many Cardinal jerseys were there?

Ok, I'm done. Leave me alone so I can sulk in peace.

They had a lot of Wood and Prior jerseys and the store was stocked. Usually things that sell are hard to find.

BTW, get used to this; you will hear this the entire year. Now TJ has seen his team win a Championship in his lifetime.

Peace

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Suppose, immediately after the ball goes through the basket, the coach requests and is granted a TO.

The coach approaches the T official and gets the official to agree that the ball hit the wire, but the official thinks that the ball remains in play after doing so.

The coach approaches the L official and gets the L official to agree that the ball hitting the wire makes the ball dead, but the L official didn't see that happen.

The officials talk and T convinces L that the ball hit the wire; L convinces T that the ball should have been dead and the basket shouldn't have counted.

Now what?

If I'm L, I tell my partner that he didn't see anything.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The officials talk and T convinces L that the ball hit the wire; L convinces T that the ball should have been dead and the basket shouldn't have counted.

Now what?

"Why are you telling me now and why did you not call a violation when the ball hit the wire?"

Peace

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

If I'm L, I tell my partner that he didn't see anything.

Well that's fine, except Bob's scenario assumes the L saw nothing.

But the L knew the rule.

You gonna claim you don't know the rule?

"I know nuthink! Nuthink!!"

[JRutledge]

I am not sure we can call a violation after the fact when no violation was called in the first place. Of course you might "know the rule" but you have not called a violation at all. My understanding of the timeout to correct a ruling is when we misapply the rule, not to debate a judgment call. I would think if the violation is not called, then you cannot come back later and say, "Oh btw, there was a violation." Unless you can show some evidence of such a scenario in the casebook (or other ruling reference) then it would be hard to come back and call a violation after the fact.

Peace

[just another ref]

2-10 does not apply in this case. This is not an erroneously counted score. The only way this basket does not count is if the ball is called dead when it hits the wire. A violation that is not called is not a violation. There is no provision for going back later and making this call.

[just another ref]

sooner or later. I agree with Rut.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Suppose, immediately after the ball goes through the basket, the coach requests and is granted a TO.

The coach approaches the T official and gets the official to agree that the ball hit the wire, but the official thinks that the ball remains in play after doing so.

The coach approaches the L official and gets the L official to agree that the ball hitting the wire makes the ball dead, but the L official didn't see that happen.

The officials talk and T convinces L that the ball hit the wire; L convinces T that the ball should have been dead and the basket shouldn't have counted.

Now what?

Geeze Bob, can't you see we're busy talkin' about something else?

Anyway, if you're forcing us to stay on-topic, I would have to say it's correctable. In your scenario, the T saw the play, mis-applied a rule by seeing the ball hit the support and not ruling it dead. It wasn't an issue of "not seeing" the violation, or judgement as to whether the ball hit the support or not. Wipe off the basket by team A, do not charge a TO, and give the ball to B for a spot throw-in following the violation. I would then talk to my (obviously) inexperienced partner and tell them we need to not do that again.