shot hits support wire

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I don't think there is a limit on a certain amount of time to make a call. The problem in the original post is that a call was made after time-out was called and the coach prompted the officials to do so. Now this is no longer a call to be made, but an error to be corrected.

A missed violation is not a correctable error, according to myself and several others, as vigorously stated on the last 80 or so pages on this thread.

So, what is 9.2.2 SITUATION C?

[Ref in PA]

I have followed this discussion from the beginning. I do not think you can go back and correct a missed violation.

Consider this play. A1 drives and does a jump stop in the Trail's primary area. A1 then pivots, then shoots a jump shot that is good. The Trail lets the play go. The Lead is focus on players in his primary and does not see the play. Coach B calls a time out after the made basket and wants to discuss the "violation." Trail admits a jump stop occurred and then a pivot and says it is legal. Coach B now appeals to you. Trail does not know the rule. You know the rule. Do you wipe out a basket on a play that was never whistled? I don't. I tell the coach we can discuss this play after the game if he wants, but as a crew, we live with it and take the heat.

I am still awaiting the interpretation of Mr. Jenkins.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Ref in PA

I have followed this discussion from the beginning. I do not think you can go back and correct a missed violation.

Consider this play. A1 drives and does a jump stop in the Trail's primary area. A1 then pivots, then shoots a jump shot that is good. The Trail lets the play go. The Lead is focus on players in his primary and does not see the play. Coach B calls a time out after the made basket and wants to discuss the "violation." Trail admits a jump stop occurred and then a pivot and says it is legal. Coach B now appeals to you. Trail does not know the rule. You know the rule. Do you wipe out a basket on a play that was never whistled? I don't. I tell the coach we can discuss this play after the game if he wants, but as a crew, we live with it and take the heat.

I am still awaiting the interpretation of Mr. Jenkins.

Uhmmm...why would a jump stop followed by a pivot be a violation? That move has been around since Earl the Pearl Monroe made it poplular back in the 50's...a jumpstop does not establish a pivot foot, so they can still pivot on one of those feets of theirs without travelling...

I can NOT believe I actually added to the length of this thread!!

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I can NOT believe I actually added to the length of this thread!!

Kinda like quicksand, isn't it? Get too close, and it sucks you right in.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Kinda like quicksand, isn't it? Get too close, and it sucks you right in.

More like a potato chip...take that first one out of the bag & before you know it you're scraping the greasy crumbs from the bottom...speaking of scraping crumbs, how is it that Chuck has completely ignored this thread??

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Uhmmm...why would a jump stop followed by a pivot be a violation?

What most of us refer to as a jump stop is what is described in 4-44-2-a-3 and 4-44-2-b-2.

In both of these cases, neither foot can be a pivot.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

So, what is 9.2.2 SITUATION C?

This is nothing more than calling a violation and waving off a basket, no different than saying A1 goes in for a spectacular dunk, but travels on the way up. Ruling: call the violation and wave off the basket

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by just another ref

This is nothing more than calling a violation and waving off a basket, no different than saying A1 goes in for a spectacular dunk, but travels on the way up. Ruling: call the violation and wave off the basket

Cool! You're starting to get it now!

[Jurassic Referee]

I disagree.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I disagree.

What?!

I wasn't aware of that.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I disagree.

What was the question again?

....here, have a potato chip

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Cool! You're starting to get it now!

Starting to get what? I don't get it.

[JRutledge]

Thirteen pages over this topic?

Peace

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Thirteen pages over this topic?

Peace

Oh, don't worry. We're still a long way from the off-topic thread record.

(Btw, don't remind me what that thread was about. )

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Starting to get what? I don't get it.

You had it right earlier:

Originally Posted by just another ref

This is nothing more than calling a violation and waving off a basket...

Mabe I had it wrong in calling it a correctable error. Even I had a problem trying to convince myself of correcting this even withing the correctable error time limits. But this case play makes more sense. A violation occured, the basket happened (relatively) immediately afterwards, we acknowledge the violation happened, wipe off the basket, and go on.