Penalty for Delay

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Kajun Ref N Texas

You are all giving me the reasons I am wrong about 2-10-1 without showing me anything authoritative about the rule.

Right. So are you. That's because there isn't anything that covers this. If there were, the thread (well, the relevant part, anyway) would be two posts long -- the Q and the A.

There *are* specific examples where a T should be called, but it's "too late." I don't know of any examples (including the excess TO example) where the T can be assessed after the fact. That doesn't mean this can't be the first.

[Kajun Ref N Texas]

OK then, at the end of the day, here's what happens:

We both called a violation for delay, we both inadvertently set aside the rule by issuing a second warning instead of issuing the T and the two shots.

You stuck with your rule error and got it wrong.

I corrected my rule error and goit it right.

[ronny mulkey]

There *are* specific examples where a T should be called, but it's "too late." I don't know of any examples (including the excess TO example) where the T can be assessed after the fact. That doesn't mean this can't be the first.[/QUOTE]

Bob,

I want to make sure that I understand what you are saying here. Team A requests a 6th T.O. with 5 minutes to play. The crew is not notified at this point that it is an excessive T.O. With 30 seconds left to play, the table calls you over and then alerts you that it was Team A's 6th T.O.

Are you saying that it is too late to penalize?

Mulk

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

There *are* specific examples where a T should be called, but it's "too late." I don't know of any examples (including the excess TO example) where the T can be assessed after the fact. That doesn't mean this can't be the first.

Bob,

I want to make sure that I understand what you are saying here. Team A requests a 6th T.O. with 5 minutes to play. The crew is not notified at this point that it is an excessive T.O. With 30 seconds left to play, the table calls you over and then alerts you that it was Team A's 6th T.O.

Are you saying that it is too late to penalize?

Mulk[/QUOTE]

I'm saying that I don't know of / recall any case play or interp that says to issue a T in this situation. So, I would not (but I could be wrong).

I am aware that the rule says "penalized when discovered." I just don't think that means what it says.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Bob,

I want to make sure that I understand what you are saying here. Team A requests a 6th T.O. with 5 minutes to play. The crew is not notified at this point that it is an excessive T.O. With 30 seconds left to play, the table calls you over and then alerts you that it was Team A's 6th T.O.

Are you saying that it is too late to penalize?

Mulk

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm saying that I don't know of / recall any case play or interp that says to issue a T in this situation. So, I would not (but I could be wrong).

I am aware that the rule says "penalized when discovered." I just don't think that means what it says.

But, JR, you do disagree with what Bob says here, right?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

But, JR, you do disagree with what Bob says here, right?

Yeah, I think that "penalized when discovered" means exactly what it says.

The FED uses other language if it wants to set some other time limits- i.e......
- R10-1-6--penalized if discovered while being violated
- R10-2-2--penalized if discovered before the ball becomes live.

They don't set any limits with the phrase "penalized when discovered" though.

[bob jenkins]

Interestingly, that phrase / clause was added without comment inb the 2004-2005 book. No interps or case plays, that I can find.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Interestingly, that phrase / clause was added without comment inb the 2004-2005 book. No interps or case plays, that I can find.

I'm not aware of any either.