Penalty for Delay

[bob jenkins]

My opinion: Once the ball has become live, the game is not being delayed. It's then too late to assess the penalty for delay.

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

My opinion: Once the ball has become live, the game is not being delayed. It's then too late to assess the penalty for delay.

YaBut, what if the delays are reported to the table properly, and at the half someone tells you not to forget that Team A has a delay for X and a second delay for Y so another delay for one of those things is a T?

[Raymond]

1st quarter: B2 reaches across the plane during throw-in and

• a) fouls A1 and intentional foul is called

• b) touches the ball and technical foul is called.

So far everything is good. Later in the same game....

• 3rd quarter: B2 reaches across the plane but neither touches the ball nor A1.

Would this be the first warning for delay or would situations a and/or b above also have counted towards the warning limit?

[ChuckElias]

BNR, in both (a) and (b) part of the penalty is a warning for delay.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

BNR, in both (a) and (b) part of the penalty is a warning for delay.

And, the T in (b) is charged to the player.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

And, the T in (b) is charged to the player.

My bad Bob, I knew that. I had a brain freeze.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

My opinion: Once the ball has become live, the game is not being delayed. It's then too late to assess the penalty for delay.

I agree with Bob. (I've been doing that a lot recently...)

It's not a correctable error situation, so those rules and time limits wouldn't apply.

What if a coach calls you a cheatin' SOB, and, for whatever reason, you decide to think about it for a play or two. Then, after play goes up and down the court, you decide the comment was false and it really was unsportsmanlike. Do you issue the T then?

The play, and the time to make the call is past, so we move on.

[Kajun Ref N Texas]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I agree with Bob. (I've been doing that a lot recently...)

It's not a correctable error situation, so those rules and time limits wouldn't apply.

What if a coach calls you a cheatin' SOB, and, for whatever reason, you decide to think about it for a play or two. Then, after play goes up and down the court, you decide the comment was false and it really was unsportsmanlike. Do you issue the T then?

The play, and the time to make the call is past, so we move on.

Why is this not a Correctable Error. 2-10-1

Officials may correct an error if a rule is inadvertently set aside and results in:
a. Failure to award a merited free throw.

You've called the second delay which should have resulted in a merited free throw that you did not award. As long as the error is caught during the first dead ball before the clock has properly started, shouldn't this be a correctable error.

If not, why not.

[Mwanr1]

If you call the T after the ball is live, and go back and issue a T, then the official is delaying the game. Let it go and keep the game going. Our primary responsilbity is to make sure the game flows.

[Kajun Ref N Texas]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

If you call the T after the ball is live, and go back and issue a T, then the official is delaying the game. Let it go and keep the game going. Our primary responsilbity is to make sure the game flows.

Then why do we have Correctable Errors in the first place?

[Rick Durkee]

Originally Posted by Kajun Ref N Texas

Then why do we have Correctable Errors in the first place?

I think the issue is the time limit to make the ruling. The Correctable error rule addresses limitations on the time limits to assess the penalties or correct an improperly executed penalty.

[Kajun Ref N Texas]

Originally Posted by Rick Durkee

I think the issue is the time limit to make the ruling. The Correctable error rule addresses limitations on the time limits to assess the penalties or correct an improperly executed penalty.

The original situation doesn't specify that the officials did or did not report the delay.

I would agree this is not correctable if the officials did not report the delay to the table. (In essence, a no call)

However, if the officials reported the second delay, this should be a correctable error situation.

If you believe it is not, please explain.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Kajun Ref N Texas

Then why do we have Correctable Errors in the first place?

Failure to call a foul or violation that should be called is not a correctable error. It is either called at the time of the infraction or it is not called.

Correctable errors all deal with the penalty portion of a called foul (or counting a basket as the incorrect number of points on a try).

[Kajun Ref N Texas]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Failure to call a foul or violation that should be called is not a correctable error. It is either called at the time of the infraction or it is not called.

Correctable errors all deal with the penalty portion of a called foul (or counting a basket as the incorrect number of points on a try).

Apples and Oranges.

We have already established that we called and reported the second warning. In your example there is no call.

By rule the second warning results in a technical foul. A rule which was inadvertently set aside and results in free throws.

[FrankHtown]

Mr. Jenkins:

And, the T in (b) is charged to the player.

Please check whether the technical for delay is charged to the player. I believe it's a Team technical, and the individual does not get charged. I don't have my book with me, and we had this happen in the first half of a game. We charged the player with a technical, but told the coaches we would check the rule book at half time. We checked, and if I remember correctly, we removed the T from the individual player.