backcourt

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by oc

How about this scenario:
-Team A control frontcourt
-A1 last touches ball in frontcourt
-ball goes backcourt
-ball comes back to frontcourt (backspin, hits official, ...) without touching any player. (ball clearly has frontcourt status)
A1 touches the ball.

Backcourt violation?

If you evaluate this play with the 4 criteria rainmaker posted for ya, you will conclude that this is a backcourt violation.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If you evaluate this play with the 4 criteria rainmaker posted for ya, you will conclude that this is a backcourt violation.

Why??? A1 never touched the ball while it had backcourt status, so how could it be called a backcourt violation?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Why??? A1 never touched the ball while it had backcourt status, so how could it be called a backcourt violation?

Does it matter where A1 touches the ball after it went into the back court, as per R9-1?

If A1, who was completely in the front-court, dribbled on the center line, and the dribble then hit A1 who was still completely in the front court, is that legal also?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Does it matter where A1 touches the ball after it went into the back court, as per R9-1?

If A1, who was completely in the front-court, dribbled on the center line, and the dribble then hit A1 who was still completely in the front court, is that legal also?

Good point. Guess the season is fast approaching and it is time to start doing some reading.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Good point. Guess the season is fast approaching and it is time to start doing some reading.

Know what? Some of these calls are a heckuva lot easier when you can actually see them in a game rather than read about them. Seriously. It's like the jump stop- pivot- travel questions that they throw on the exam every year. For me, it's easier to call those in a game than try to figure out the exam question.

You'd never miss that backcourt one in real life.

[lukealex]

In the posted scenario, once the ball returns to the frontcourt without being touched in the backcourt or by team B, the ball gains frontcourt status and is retrieved by A1. Backcourt violation?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by lukealex

In the posted scenario, once the ball returns to the frontcourt without being touched in the backcourt or by team B, the ball gains frontcourt status and is retrieved by A1. Backcourt violation?

Yes -- all the requirements were met.

[ChuckElias]

Yes, Luke. Search your feelings. You know it to be true!

Sorry!

In order to be a violation, the team in control has to be the last to touch it before it goes into the backcourt and then the first to touch it after it has been in the backcourt. There's no requirement that they touch it while it's in the backcourt.

[oc]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Does it matter where A1 touches the ball after it went into the back court, as per R9-1?

If A1, who was completely in the front-court, dribbled on the center line, and the dribble then hit A1 who was still completely in the front court, is that legal also?

No, but in my situation the ball clearly gets frontcourt status before being touched. Although it appeared to meet the standards for backcourt according to the letter of the rule-that answer didn't feel right to me. I am not going to argue though. If you, Chuck, and BktBallRef all think it is a violation I will just sit back eat some popcorn and let someone else hash out a losing battle.

[Nevadaref]

In reply to JR:

Originally Posted by oc

No, but in my situation the ball clearly gets frontcourt status before being touched. Although it appeared to meet the standards for backcourt according to the letter of the rule-that answer didn't feel right to me. I am not going to argue though. If you, Chuck, and BktBallRef all think it is a violation I will just sit back eat some popcorn and let someone else hash out a losing battle.

Sure, fine, just forget about the guy who gave the original answer!

[oc]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

In reply to JR:


Sure, fine, just forget about the guy who gave the original answer!

humble apologies. I should add nevadaref, rainmaker,...

If I give you some of my popcorn will you forgive me?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by oc

humble apologies. I should add nevadaref, rainmaker,...

If I give you some of my popcorn will you forgive me?

Good thing I like popcorn.