Post Play

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

I agree 100% with this. I feel if the hand checks philosophy is being called on the perimeter players, then we need to also send a message to clean up the post play as well.

I disagree with this idea, because handchecking or putting a forearm on the perimeter causes for a less free flowing game and the players are facing each other instead of one facing the opponent and the other facing away from the basket. When there is a player with his/her back to the basket, it is very hard for a defender to have a chance to play defense in the post without being able to have a forearm on them to feel them out and give them a chance to hold their position with the offensive player in a back down position. This is different from perimeter forearm in that 9 times out of 10 a perimeter forearm causes for a reroute or an impede of progress to the basket, whereas a forearm in the post if used correctly and legally, in my terms, is used to maintain and feel the player and for those reasons alone.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

When there is a player with his/her back to the basket, it is very hard for a defender to have a chance to play defense in the post without being able to have a forearm on them to feel them out and give them a chance to hold their position

I disagree with this, personally. Why should a guy in the post be able to "feel them out", but the guy on the perimeter is not allowed to do the same? Post defense should be played the same way as perimeter defense -- with the feet! Get your body between your man and the basket and make him go a different direction. There's no provision in HS ball for "getting a feel" for an opponent. In fact, the FED expressly states that "tagging up" to find the offensive player is a foul. Of course it's harder to play defense without using your forearm; but it's supposed to be! The fact that it's easier to use the forearm doesn't mean that it's ok to use it.

9 times out of 10 a perimeter forearm causes for a reroute or an impede of progress to the basket, whereas a forearm in the post if used correctly and legally, in my terms, is used to maintain and feel the player and for those reasons alone.

I personally think that the forearm is used to reroute or impede in the post VERY often. Very few players have a forearm on the offensive player simply for feel. They are trying to move a guy off a spot or keep him from getting to a spot. Most of the time, not all the time, obviously.

And again, in HS ball, it's simply not allowed to use the hands or forearms to get a feel for the opponent. I don't think that's just my opinion, either. I'm pretty sure that's the FED directive. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

I personally think that the forearm is used to reroute or impede in the post VERY often. Very few players have a forearm on the offensive player simply for feel. They are trying to move a guy off a spot or keep him from getting to a spot. Most of the time, not all the time, obviously.

This is why I love refereeing! I get to make judgement calls. By god I want to have to judge whether that player used his forearm to push the player off his spot or is he just using it to maintain position?

[mick]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

By god I want to have to judge whether that player used his forearm to push the player off his spot or is he just using it to maintain position?

You seem very passionate about this game.
That can be a good thing.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by mick

You seem very passionate about this game.
That can be a good thing.

It's kind of my life. It's what I do for a living.