Pre Game

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

You're an "enabler" if you take one gotta-git-it call from a rookie who's sucking Fox? Wow.

It's called team work, and it makes for a great game. You oughtta try it sometime.

If you would have read this entire thread, you'd see that I said I do help out a greenhorn (I actually posted that twice) with some babysitting.

In any other situation, I trust my partners. Why is that so hard? Part of teamwork is trust. If I'm looking in someone else's area, outside of my primary and secondary coverage areas, I am not doing my job and I'm not trusting them to do theirs.

Z

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by zebraman

If you would have read this entire thread, you'd see that I said I do help out a greenhorn (I actually posted that twice) with some babysitting.

In any other situation, I trust my partners. Why is that so hard? Part of teamwork is trust. If I'm looking in someone else's area, outside of my primary and secondary coverage areas, I am not doing my job and I'm not trusting them to do theirs.

Z

I see where you said that about the greenhorns. Sorry I missed that. Still, part of teamwork is "helping out" when a partner is confused or blocked out. I can think of a number of completely reasonable situations where that might happen without someone being out of line, depending on how you define primary and secondary areas. I mean, as near as I can tell, there isn't any spot on the floor that isn't in both a primary and a secondary, so there are always two people "authorized" to make any call. (I mean in three-whistle)

And if we ever work together, you can trust me to miss at least one that I'd be happy if you got.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I see where you said that about the greenhorns. Sorry I missed that. Still, part of teamwork is "helping out" when a partner is confused or blocked out. I can think of a number of completely reasonable situations where that might happen without someone being out of line, depending on how you define primary and secondary areas. I mean, as near as I can tell, there isn't any spot on the floor that isn't in both a primary and a secondary, so there are always two people "authorized" to make any call. (I mean in three-whistle)

And if we ever work together, you can trust me to miss at least one that I'd be happy if you got.

Missing 1 is fine, I suppose. It's your problem usually.

But if you miss 1 I want to know about it...in case you miss another so I can be ready to help.

And certainly if you miss the game changing call I want to know about it so we (the crew) can save the game.

This argument about "I aint looking out of my area no way no how" and "trust your partner" and "who's watching Aunt Milly in the 4th row while you're looking in my area" is BS to me. I don't put on my black polyester pleated no belt no cuffs sansabelts and stick a whistle in my mouth only to ignore 2/3 of the game. If I did I would feel obligated to return 2/3 of my game fee. And trust is a 2 way street...if I'm going to trust you to make good calls then you have to trust me when I am forced to poach in your area.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Missing 1 is fine, I suppose. It's your problem usually.

But if you miss 1 I want to know about it...in case you miss another so I can be ready to help.

And certainly if you miss the game changing call I want to know about it so we (the crew) can save the game.

This argument about "I aint looking out of my area no way no how" and "trust your partner" and "who's watching Aunt Milly in the 4th row while you're looking in my area" is BS to me. I don't put on my black polyester pleated no belt no cuffs sansabelts and stick a whistle in my mouth only to ignore 2/3 of the game. If I did I would feel obligated to return 2/3 of my game fee. And trust is a 2 way street...if I'm going to trust you to make good calls then you have to trust me when I am forced to poach in your area.

Okay, soooo..............

what am I missing here? What are you trying to say?

I"m perfectly willing to trust you when you're poaching in my area, if you'll trust me not to blow up when you save the game by making my game changing call in ffront of our other partner. Or, huh?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Okay, soooo..............

what am I missing here? What are you trying to say?

I"m perfectly willing to trust you when you're poaching in my area, if you'll trust me not to blow up when you save the game by making my game changing call in ffront of our other partner. Or, huh?

I have no idea what you're saying, or asking.

Try again?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Okay, soooo..............

what am I missing here? What are you trying to say?

I"m perfectly willing to trust you when you're poaching in my area, if you'll trust me not to blow up when you save the game by making my game changing call in ffront of our other partner. Or, huh?

If I am to understand you correctly Juulie, it sounds like you are saying that one call is going to save a game? I have never seen a situation where one call "saves" a game. Now there might be critical calls or important calls, but if a call needs to be made to save a game, I really think the official in that area should be put in trust to do so. If they cannot do so, they need not be there.

Peace

[rainmaker]

What I"m trying to say is, "I don't understand what Dan is trying to say." Wow, it's bad when I can't say, "huh?" and be understood! I guess I"d better stick to reading only for a while...

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

What I"m trying to say is, "I don't understand what Dan is trying to say." Wow, it's bad when I can't say, "huh?" and be understood! I guess I"d better stick to reading only for a while...

What I'm saying is:

1. Be aware of everything that goes on, in & out of your area.

2. If I trust you to call the game correctly then I trust you if you come into my area to pick something up. And I expect you to trust me when I come into your area.

3. If I don't trust you to call your game correctly I'm gonna help when you pass on the really big calls. How do I know I can't trust you? See #1.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I mean, as near as I can tell, there isn't any spot on the floor that isn't in both a primary and a secondary, so there are always two

Agreed, but the way I interpret the original post (and also the situation that I added later in the post) is that the third official (who has no responsibilities in that area) makes the call.

If the third official makes the call, we have all three officials watching the same area and that is just not good 3-person officiating. In fact, it's a complete waste and we might as well go back to 2-person in that case.

Z