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Old Fri Mar 17, 2006, 08:41am
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Short editorial on this subject.

There use to be a philosophy of trying to "keep them in the game" when it came to players, coaches, managers, whomever.

I've seen umpires take this to heart and, unfortunately, take unbelievable personal abuse just to "keep them in the game."

The only problem is that as an umpire, your "integrity" is not worth "keeping them in the game." As an umpire, you have many more games to umpire. The last thing an umpire needs is to become a pin cushion, taking everything thrown at them. Taking "everything" blurs the line for others, not to mention a partner who isn't going to take some of the crap spewed by these folks.

IMO, "keeping them in the game" means allow the manager to defend his team and their play. Give the coaches their say. The questioning of a call or ruling is part of their job, allow them to do it. After all, there is always the possibility they may be correct.

When a discussion is over, walk away. Keep control of your emotions during any discussion and not allow it to escalate to an argument. An argument requires two people, don't be one of them. Even though it may be believed to be so, you are not the manager's opponent. S/he is in the other dugout.

That said, this should be taken based upon the lack of personal verbal attack or an attempt to openly question the integrity of you or your partner(s). Obviously, a physical attack toward anyone means you need to get rid of that individual.

Okay, it wasn't that short, sorry.
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Old Fri Mar 17, 2006, 11:06am
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Mike,

hope you don't mind... I have to inform you I translated this and will use this as a learning tool.

Here you are how it 'sounds' in italian

"C'è in giro una certa filosofia del “provare a tenerli in campo” – e parliamo di giocatori, coach, ecc.
Ho visto arbitri prendere davvero a cuore la faccenda e, disgraziatamente, tollerare ogni sorta di abuso sul campo proprio per “provare a tenerli in campo”.

L’unico problema è che ai fini della nostra INTEGRITA’ di arbitri, non vale la pena “tenerli in campo”.
Siccome vogliamo continuare a fare gli arbitri, avremo molte altre partite da fare. E l’ultima cosa che ci serve è diventare un portaspilli, un bersaglio da freccette.
Sopportare di tutto complica la vita agli arbitri che verranno, per non dire quella del collega che abbiamo in campo.
Secondo me, “provare a tenerli in campo” significa lasciare che il manager difenda la sua squadra e il suo gioco. Dare la possibilità ai coach di dire la loro. Contestare una chiamata o una regola è parte del loro lavoro, è doveroso lasciarglielo fare. In fondo c'è sempre la possibilità che abbiano ragione.
Quando una discussione è finita, allontanatevi. Tenete sotto controllo le vostre emozioni durante qualunque tipo di confronto e non lasciate che degeneri in una litigata. Litigare richiede almeno due persone, non siate una di queste. Anche se potrebbe sembrare, non siamo noi gli avversari di un coach. Questo/questa sta nell’altro dugout.
Tutto questo si intende valido IN ASSENZA di un attacco verbale diretto alla nostra PERSONA o in assenza di qualunque cosa detta che apertamente metta in dubbio l’imparzialità  (l’integrità ) nostra o del nostro partner. Ovviamente un attacco di tipo fisico sta a significare che dobbiamo sbarazzarci di quell’individuo."

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Old Fri Mar 17, 2006, 04:25pm
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Mike,

hope you don't mind... I have to inform you I translated this and will use this as a learning tool.

Here you are how it 'sounds' in italian

"C’è in giro una certa filosofia del “provare a tenerli in campo” – e parliamo di giocatori, coach, ecc.
Ho visto arbitri prendere davvero a cuore la faccenda e, disgraziatamente, tollerare ogni sorta di abuso sul campo proprio per “provare a tenerli in campo”.

L’unico problema è che ai fini della nostra INTEGRITA’ di arbitri, non vale la pena “tenerli in campo”.
Siccome vogliamo continuare a fare gli arbitri, avremo molte altre partite da fare. E l’ultima cosa che ci serve è diventare un portaspilli, un bersaglio da freccette.
Sopportare di tutto complica la vita agli arbitri che verranno, per non dire quella del collega che abbiamo in campo.

Secondo me, “provare a tenerli in campo” significa lasciare che il manager difenda la sua squadra e il suo gioco. Dare la possibilit* ai coach di dire la loro. Contestare una chiamata o una regola è parte del loro lavoro, è doveroso lasciarglielo fare. In fondo c’è sempre la possibilit* che abbiano ragione.
Quando una discussione è finita, allontanatevi. Tenete sotto controllo le vostre emozioni durante qualunque tipo di confronto e non lasciate che degeneri in una litigata. Litigare richiede almeno due persone, non siate una di queste. Anche se potrebbe sembrare, non siamo noi gli avversari di un coach. Questo/questa sta nell’altro dugout.

Tutto questo si intende valido IN ASSENZA di un attacco verbale diretto alla nostra PERSONA o in assenza di qualunque cosa detta che apertamente metta in dubbio l’imparzialit* (l’integrit*) nostra o del nostro partner. Ovviamente un attacco di tipo fisico sta a significare che dobbiamo sbarazzarci di quell’individuo."

Ciao e grazie
Please feel free to use anything I post as you see fit.

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Old Fri Mar 17, 2006, 06:01pm
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Short editorial on this subject.

There use to be a philosophy of trying to "keep them in the game" when it came to players, coaches, managers, whomever.

I've seen umpires take this to heart and, unfortunately, take unbelievable personal abuse just to "keep them in the game."

The only problem is that as an umpire, your "integrity" is not worth "keeping them in the game." As an umpire, you have many more games to umpire. The last thing an umpire needs is to become a pin cushion, taking everything thrown at them. Taking "everything" blurs the line for others, not to mention a partner who isn't going to take some of the crap spewed by these folks.

IMO, "keeping them in the game" means allow the manager to defend his team and their play. Give the coaches their say. The questioning of a call or ruling is part of their job, allow them to do it. After all, there is always the possibility they may be correct.

When a discussion is over, walk away. Keep control of your emotions during any discussion and not allow it to escalate to an argument. An argument requires two people, don't be one of them. Even though it may be believed to be so, you are not the manager's opponent. S/he is in the other dugout.

That said, this should be taken based upon the lack of personal verbal attack or an attempt to openly question the integrity of you or your partner(s). Obviously, a physical attack toward anyone means you need to get rid of that individual.

Okay, it wasn't that short, sorry.
Mike,
Very well said on all counts.

(We may have to translate it into Okie and Texan for some...)
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Old Fri Mar 17, 2006, 08:56pm
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John said, "Mike,
Very well said on all counts.

(We may have to translate it into Okie and Texan for some...)"

Sounds pretty similar to some stuff I heard that was called a "Luau-ism".
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Sounds pretty similar to some stuff I heard that was called a "Luau-ism".
Must be that similar minds thing. I've never attended a clinic with Luau as an clinician. However, Luau and I have both attended the same clinics.
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Old Sat Mar 18, 2006, 12:29pm
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Sounds pretty similar to some stuff I heard that was called a "Luau-ism".
Must be that similar great minds thing. I've never attended a clinic with Luau as an clinician. However, Luau and I have both attended the same clinics.
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Old Sat Mar 18, 2006, 06:27pm
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For those of us lucky enough to attend the NCAA clinic in Atlanta, one of the funniest aprts was Ed Crane's son translating for the 'southern umpire's' what Ed was saying. Because I am originally from the left coast I often find myself in need of a translater to tell me what our southern coaches really mean to say when they are talking to me.

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Mike,

hope you don't mind... I have to inform you I translated this and will use this as a learning tool.

Here you are how it 'sounds' in italian

"C’è in giro una certa filosofia del “provare a tenerli in campo” – e parliamo di giocatori, coach, ecc.
Ho visto arbitri prendere davvero a cuore la faccenda e, disgraziatamente, tollerare ogni sorta di abuso sul campo proprio per “provare a tenerli in campo”.

L’unico problema è che ai fini della nostra INTEGRITA’ di arbitri, non vale la pena “tenerli in campo”.
Siccome vogliamo continuare a fare gli arbitri, avremo molte altre partite da fare. E l’ultima cosa che ci serve è diventare un portaspilli, un bersaglio da freccette.
Sopportare di tutto complica la vita agli arbitri che verranno, per non dire quella del collega che abbiamo in campo.

Secondo me, “provare a tenerli in campo” significa lasciare che il manager difenda la sua squadra e il suo gioco. Dare la possibilit* ai coach di dire la loro. Contestare una chiamata o una regola è parte del loro lavoro, è doveroso lasciarglielo fare. In fondo c’è sempre la possibilit* che abbiano ragione.
Quando una discussione è finita, allontanatevi. Tenete sotto controllo le vostre emozioni durante qualunque tipo di confronto e non lasciate che degeneri in una litigata. Litigare richiede almeno due persone, non siate una di queste. Anche se potrebbe sembrare, non siamo noi gli avversari di un coach. Questo/questa sta nell’altro dugout.

Tutto questo si intende valido IN ASSENZA di un attacco verbale diretto alla nostra PERSONA o in assenza di qualunque cosa detta che apertamente metta in dubbio l’imparzialit* (l’integrit*) nostra o del nostro partner. Ovviamente un attacco di tipo fisico sta a significare che dobbiamo sbarazzarci di quell’individuo."

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Old Wed Mar 22, 2006, 09:38pm
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Good job Mike....I will use it....

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