Backcourt Violation - Mavs Heat

[mcuban]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Well, assuming you're not a moron you should be able to list the questionable calls that went both for & against your Mavs and show that yes indeedy without a doubt your Mavs got screwed. And I'll assume you're not a moron BTW because you readily admit the questionable calls went both ways.

I eagerly await your non-moronic reply.

How about this.

I can give you an off the top of my head listing from the last 3 minutes of Game 3. Feel free to go to the tape. These may not be in chronological order, but they are all in the last 180 seconds, so they arent hard to find.

1. Push off by shaq on dampier going for offensive rebound., right in front of Jack Nies

2. Minimal contact at most in backcourt by Terry on Wade. Its possible Nies thought it was an intentional foul and blew the whistle.

3. Haslem runs through Nowitzki to get a deflection which lead to his fastbreak

4. Terry runs down haslem and cleanly strips ball. Danny Crawford did a great job of staying ahead of the play and is staring right at the play and you can see his eyes following the ball off of haslems leg and out of bounds with no whistle. The miss comes when Ken mauer makes the call from at least 30 feet behind.

5. Shot that put Heat ahead. Payton pump fakes, sees Howard flying at him, rather than jumping into Howard and probably getting a legit foul and going to the line, he switches his pivot feet , dribbles to clear howard and hits his shot.

6. The precision timing system had been malfunctioning. In fact, its been doing so for years. The officials knew to be vigilant on the clock. Onthe above mentioned Terry foul, rather than the crew watching the clock , it runs down and no one catches it.

7. the same thing happens again with the clock a 2nd time, i think when dirk was fouled. Both were admitted by the league. Saying it was purely a clock malfunction.

Now these are 7 obvious miscues in the last 3 minutes of Game 3. would you like more ?

do i think the officials were out to get the Mavs ? no chance.

Do i think we put our officials in position to succeed. No.

[Larks]

Originally Posted by mcuban

Do i think we put our officials in position to succeed. No.

With respect, what could / should be done differently in your opinion?

Also, whats your take on the RA (aka half circle in the paint)? I think it adds a pretty complex thought process an official has to go through when considerig block / charge.

[mcuban]

Originally Posted by Larks

With respect, what could / should be done differently in your opinion?

Also, whats your take on the RA (aka half circle in the paint)? I think it adds a pretty complex thought process an official has to go through when considerig block / charge.

I have suggested to the competition committee every year for the last 3 that we move the restricted area circle out to almost the foul line.

Its obviously a tough call, but its made harder in the NBA because its not where was the defender when the contact was made, its "where are the defenders feat when the offensive player gathers the ball to go up for a shot". With 7footers now able to take long strides. A guy could start the process of putting up a floater 2 feet away from the RA circle , which gives defenders way too much time to slide in. Its an almost impossible call to get right in that circumstance.

Thats not putting an official in a position to succeed.

and as far as what I meant. Read my blog that got me fined. It wasnt a criticism of any official. In fact, i have a lot of officials who are pushing just that and agree with me

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mcuban

Its obviously a tough call, but its made harder in the NBA because its not where was the defender when the contact was made, its "where are the defenders feat when the offensive player gathers the ball to go up for a shot". With 7footers now able to take long strides. A guy could start the process of putting up a floater 2 feet away from the RA circle , which gives defenders way too much time to slide in. Its an almost impossible call to get right in that circumstance.

Lah me, a fanboy gets outed.

That's funny.

Try "when the offensive player leaves his feet", dickhead- not where the ball is gathered---- same as every other ruleset in the world.

I hate to have to be the one to tell you, but you're not even doing a fair job of imitating Willie the Whiner.

[mcuban]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Lah me, a fanboy gets outed.

That's funny.

Try "when the offensive player leaves his feet", dickhead- not where the ball is gathered---- same as every other ruleset in the world.

you might want to check on that. Since you dont follow the NBA, things may have changed since the Mikan era when you were up to speed
2005-6 casebook p8. #28
"def player must establish himself before the offensive player starts his upward shooting motion in order to draw an offensive foul"


nice try fanboy. No, i take that back. That would be an insult to fanboys everywhere


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[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mcuban

you might want to check on that. Since you dont follow the NBA, things may have changed since the Mikan era when you were up to speed
2005-6 casebook p8. #28
"def player must establish himself before the offensive player starts his upward shooting motion in order to draw an offensive foul"

You may want to find someone to explain some rules to you, fanboy. What you picked out has got nothing to do at all, in any way,shape or form, with the restricted area circle.

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_c....av=ArticleList

How about you telling us what is applicable?

On second thought, fuggedaboutit. I must be nuts wasting time with these idiot fanboys.

Keep trolling....

[BktBallRef]

Hey Mark, your blog says, "And for the record, I have nothing to say about the finals. That was last season." So why are you here, posting about the Finals? We're dying to know!

[mcuban]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You may want to find someone to explain some rules to you, fanboy. What you picked out has got nothing to do at all, in any way,shape or form, with the restricted area circle.

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_c....av=ArticleList

How about you telling us what is applicable?

On second thought, fuggedaboutit. I must be nuts wasting time with these idiot fanboys.

Keep trolling....

nice try. I thought you at least had an understanding of the rules.

I will post the rest of the casebook writeup for you.
Player A1 is DRIVING TO THE BASKET for a LAYUP. What is the DECIDING POINT BETWEEN BLOCK OR CHARGE.

A defender must establish his position before the offesnive player starts his upward shooting motion with the ball in order to draw an offensive foul. If a defender SLIDES into position (this is an RA thing.. get it) after the ball starts upward, a block foul should be assessed.

Incase you dont understand, let me explain the rules further to you. The words SLIDES into position is critical. You see, if you are the primary defender, you dont slide into position, you are actively guarding the player with the ball, in which case the RA DOESNT APPLY AT ALL.

So the only time the RA applies is for a 2ndary defender who is SLIDING in to take a charge.

in order to be "legal" and take the charge, the 2ndary defender must have been there BEFORE HE STARTED HIS SHOOTING MOTION. That is what makes him legal Mr i wish i knew as much as a fanboy boy...

you guys are so easy on this forum. i expected more

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mcuban

Now these are 7 obvious miscues in the last 3 minutes of Game 3. would you like more ?

Geeze, another whiny azzhole shows up.....weeks after the game was played......


Let it go. It's only the NBA. Nobody cares.

[mcuban]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Geeze, another whiny azzhole shows up.....weeks after the game was played......


Let it go. It's only the NBA. Nobody cares.

sorry i didnt get here soon enough for you. I didnt realize it was you schedule that controlled the forum.

And I care about the NBA. A lot. Financially and as a fan of the game.I dont know what made you so bitter, but I came here to see what the perspective of officials was.

Someone made the comment that everyone gangs up together. Now I know that it happens at all levels.

thats for the reinforcement

m

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by mcuban

How about this.

I can give you an off the top of my head listing from the last 3 minutes of Game 3. Feel free to go to the tape. These may not be in chronological order, but they are all in the last 180 seconds, so they arent hard to find.

1. Push off by shaq on dampier going for offensive rebound., right in front of Jack Nies

2. Minimal contact at most in backcourt by Terry on Wade. Its possible Nies thought it was an intentional foul and blew the whistle.

3. Haslem runs through Nowitzki to get a deflection which lead to his fastbreak

4. Terry runs down haslem and cleanly strips ball. Danny Crawford did a great job of staying ahead of the play and is staring right at the play and you can see his eyes following the ball off of haslems leg and out of bounds with no whistle. The miss comes when Ken mauer makes the call from at least 30 feet behind.

5. Shot that put Heat ahead. Payton pump fakes, sees Howard flying at him, rather than jumping into Howard and probably getting a legit foul and going to the line, he switches his pivot feet , dribbles to clear howard and hits his shot.

6. The precision timing system had been malfunctioning. In fact, its been doing so for years. The officials knew to be vigilant on the clock. Onthe above mentioned Terry foul, rather than the crew watching the clock , it runs down and no one catches it.

7. the same thing happens again with the clock a 2nd time, i think when dirk was fouled. Both were admitted by the league. Saying it was purely a clock malfunction.

Now these are 7 obvious miscues in the last 3 minutes of Game 3. would you like more ?

do i think the officials were out to get the Mavs ? no chance.

Do i think we put our officials in position to succeed. No.

Sorry, I was wrong.

You are a moron.

[mcuban]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Sorry, I was wrong.

You are a moron.

So what are you saying ? That you ask for examples, but now that you have some, you arent capable of looking at a tape ?

Geez... you would think someone like Mark Cuban would make comments like that about officials

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[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mcuban

Geez... you would think someone like Mark Cuban would make comments like that about officials

Nope, I think that trolls like you really need to get a life. I wasn't kidding about that.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by mcuban

So what are you saying ? That you ask for examples, but now that you have some, you arent capable of looking at a tape ?

Geez... you would think someone like Mark Cuban would make comments like that about officials

m

I dont need to look at any tape, I find the nba too irrelevant to watch once, let alone tape it & watch it again.

I asked for examples of bad calls going for & against both sides so you can back up your claim the officials screwed the chokers from dallas, along with their annoyingly immature coach & tweeked up wannabe jock owner. You puked a dog's lunch which included misbehaving clocks.

Care to try again?

[mcuban]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I dont need to look at any tape, I find the nba too irrelevant to watch once, let alone tape it & watch it again.

I asked for examples of bad calls going for & against both sides so you can back up your claim the officials screwed the chokers from dallas, along with their annoyingly immature coach & tweeked up wannabe jock owner. You puked a dog's lunch which included misbehaving clocks.

Care to try again?

i deal with people like you every day. Im sure this forum is your finest hour.

www.fallenpatriotfund.org for mine