Backcourt Violation - Mavs Heat

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BOBBYMO

I think that if the player isnt aware of the game sittuation then the ref has to cal it.

Its not our job to make decisions for the coach. If the player calls the T.O. and we don't give it to them it takes away an advantage fro the defensive team ( since now they are out and can't advance the ball).

JMO

Not so sure about that...while Howard was asking for the t.o., Avery and his ***'t coach (the one who used to be a head coach someplace) were both yelling "No" and giving the big wave-off sign...the ref certainly could have been aware of that...I think that's why Crawford came in and tried to talk de Rosa out of it, but he'd already blown and signalled so by then it really was too late.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Not so sure about that...while Howard was asking for the t.o., Avery and his asst coach (the one who used to be a head coach someplace) were both yelling "No" and giving the big wave-off sign...the ref certainly could have been aware of that...I think that's why Crawford came in and tried to talk de Rosa out of it, but he'd already blown and signalled so by then it really was too late.

Crawford didn't try to talk DeRosa out of it. Salvatore did. Why? Because he heard the Mav coaches. But he did not know Howard are made the request. Joe says, "Bennett, he requested it twice and signaled." Then Bennett says. "I didn't realize that." Joe again signals TO. Crawford then just tried to calm Johnson down and then went to Joe and Bennett just to make sure everyone was in agreement. Once DeRosa whistles the TO, it 's a TO.

Bottom line, Howard screwed up and Johnson screwed up. It would have been unfair to Miami to have said, "That didn't mean to call TO. We'll just let that go," after the TO has obviously been granted.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Crawford didn't try to talk DeRosa out of it. Salvatore did. Why? Because he heard the Mav coaches. But he did not know Howard are made the request. Joe says, "Bennett, he requested it twice and signaled." Then Bennett says. "I didn't realize that." Joe again signals TO. Crawford then just tried to calm Johnson down and then went to Joe and Bennett just to make sure everyone was in agreement. Once DeRosa whistles the TO, it 's a TO.

Bottom line, Howard screwed up and Johnson screwed up. It would have been unfair to Miami to have said, "That didn't mean to call TO. We'll just let that go," after the TO has obviously been granted.

I agree that Howard screwed up...I also think DeRosa could have realized the bench was yelling "no" and not blown his whistle...certainly didn't cost Dallas the game - they blew that all on their own.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I agree that Howard screwed up...I also think DeRosa could have realized the bench was yelling "no" and not blown his whistle...certainly didn't cost Dallas the game - they blew that all on their own.

From what I saw DJ, the Mavs weren't yelling "no" until after the TO was granted. There would be no reason for them to yell before the request and the grant.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

From what I saw DJ, the Mavs weren't yelling "no" until after the TO was granted. There would be no reason for them to yell before the request and the grant.

Hmmm...could have sworn Del Harris was up waving his arms and yelling and then Avery Johnson started also before DeRosa blew the whistle...but hey, I've been wrong before...anyway, Howard shouldn't have brain-farted...and missing two free throws with under 10 seconds to go didn't help Dallas either...

[DPR]

yeah i saw that im still a little bit confused

Rule 10 Section X - Ball in Backcourt
a. A player shall not be the first to touch a ball which he or a teammate caused to go from frontcourt to backcourt while his team was in control of the ball. EXCEPTION: Rule 8-Section III-e (EXCEPTION).

Rule 8, Section III
e. Any ball out-of-bounds in a team's frontcourt or at the midcourt line cannot be passed into the backcourt. On all backcourt and midcourt violations, the ball shall be awarded to the opposing team at the midcourt line, and must be passed into the frontcourt.
EXCEPTION: During the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or any overtime period, the ball may be passed anywhere (frontcourt or backcourt) on the court.

i know this. but what does it say about jumping from the frontcourt, catching the ball without landing in the backcourt, and then landing in the backcourt with the ball.