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Old Mon May 15, 2006, 07:14am
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Situation with 5 seconds left

I was calling a spring HS boys game. 5 seconds left team A score a 3 pointer to be within 1 point. as the basket was going through the hoop. the team A called time out. I was in the trail at the time the basket was scored. the official under the basket didn't grant the Time out to the player 5 feet away from him. with some delay I see the time out being called and grant the timeout. The coach from team B, had a valid complaint that team B already had possession of the ball underneath thebasket and the time out should not be granted. The end result was I granted team A the time out. They stole the ball on the inbounds and score with 1 second left and win by1.

Please give me any opinion and or suggestion to this issue.

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Old Mon May 15, 2006, 07:41am
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If you see or hear the request before the ball is at the disposal of the other team, then you grant it. If it seems late, and the coach complains, you simply say the request came earlier.

Why did your partner not grant it? Did s/he not see it? Or was there a reason for not granting it?
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Old Mon May 15, 2006, 07:42am
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1) The lead shoulda granted the timeout.
2) If team B was holding the ball for the throw-in, you shouldn't have granted team A's timeout request, unless you honestly can say that you recognized the TO request before B had the ball.
3) Once you did blow your whistle to grant team A the timeout though, you have to go ahead and give them that timeout. See NFHS casebook play 5.8.3SitE.
4) Tell team B coach "my bad".
5) Resume play after the timeout with team B getting a non-spot end line throw-in.

Sh!t happens. No big deal.
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Old Mon May 15, 2006, 07:54am
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unless you honestly can say that you recognized the TO request before B had the ball.
I did see the time out and waiting for the lead to call the TO. That is why I came with delay TO.

when I aske my partner why he didn't call it. He said he didn't see it.

I feel different about it I think he heard it. there is no way that he didn't see it or hear it. he was 5 feet away. This was not your typical HS game with 1000 people in gym. I did at 40 feet away.
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Old Mon May 15, 2006, 08:01am
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I did see the time out and waiting for the lead to call the TO. That is why I came with delay TO.
You had it right then. As Chuck said, by rule it's not when you blow your whistle on the TO, it's when you recognize the TO request.

Either way, on time or late, team A got their deserved timeout anyway......iow, all's well that ends well. Good job on bailing your partner out.
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Old Mon May 15, 2006, 09:15am
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Hmmmmm....

Me thinks partner was trying to get outta there, no?????
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Old Mon May 15, 2006, 09:23am
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You had it right then. As Chuck said, by rule it's not when you blow your whistle on the TO, it's when you recognize the TO request.
Ah, yes. Such a thing happened to me last season, leading to my first Coaches T in 3 years. Apparently, he didn't like the explanation I gave him, which was just what Chuck said. My whistle for Team A's TO was just late enough that Team B had stolen a pass and was going to have an easy layup at the opposite end.
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Old Mon May 15, 2006, 09:41am
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I'm glad it was a spring league and not regular season, the head coach was sitting in the stand, he did make sure that I heard about it after the game. The end result was he got an L. IMO nothing that we( notice the we, not putting it on my partner) may have caused, but in his eyes, it was all the officials for blowing the call.
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Old Mon May 15, 2006, 01:48pm
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I did see the time out and waiting for the lead to call the TO. That is why I came with delay TO.
My question is why did you feel it necessary to have a delayed whistle? It's not like calling a foul in someone else's primary. Last second situation we should be on the alert for time-out requests and call them as soon as we properly recognize and verify the request.

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Old Mon May 15, 2006, 02:09pm
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why did you feel it necessary to have a delayed whistle?
You are absolutely correct. I was a little late and assumed that he was going to blow. I was wrong. I should have blown it when I saw it. I guess thinking about it, I was as laid back about it as he was...
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