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Old Fri May 12, 2006, 11:31am
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if I understand the true mechanics of the punch, A lot of officials I work with that have been officiating for many year, use the punch to signal for a charging foul.

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Old Fri May 12, 2006, 12:00pm
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if I understand the true mechanics of the punch, A lot of officials I work with that have been officiating for many year, use the punch to signal for a charging foul.

Do I have this correct?
How can anyone contradict what you have witnessed with your own eyes? If people are using the punch signal for charging or PC fouls, that would not surprise me. Considering the fact that many officials work college ball and HS at the same time, I am sure there are going to be cross mechanics and philosophies about those mechanics. I know there is from what I have seen. All I can say is using the punch would not be the proper mechanic for NF games. Your state, area, association could use a mechanic that is not within the confines of the NF Official's Manual.

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Old Fri May 12, 2006, 12:14pm
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if I understand the true mechanics of the punch, A lot of officials I work with that have been officiating for many year, use the punch to signal for a charging foul.
I notice it some from folks who work NCAA-W when they have a PC. But this year a FED POE is proper signals so we'll have to see if commissioners/supervisors crack down on it.
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Old Fri May 12, 2006, 06:19pm
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It should be shown to the table, at least the reason they stated in the release was to clear up confusion at the table on when to shoot free-throws and when not to shoot.
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Old Fri May 12, 2006, 06:31pm
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if I understand the true mechanics of the punch, A lot of officials I work with that have been officiating for many year, use the punch to signal for a charging foul.

Do I have this correct?
I'm assuming you're talking about a player control foul vs. a "pass and crash" charge.

If you're referring to games officiated with NFHS rules, then those officials are incorrect and will continue to be incorrect even with this update. The correct mechanic for a player control foul is the hand behind the head signal.

The punch will only be valid for team control fouls, so that's why it would be incorrect to use in a PC situation. If you have a "pass and crash," then the punch would be correct because the player's control has terminated, but team control remains.
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Old Fri May 12, 2006, 11:54pm
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In our mechanics (FIBA) the pointing of the fist on a foul signifies a team control foul, for a charge, we use a punch on an open hand, so on a charge with team control foul we signal a punch to an open hand to the scorebench to denote the type of foul followed by the fist pointing direction of play, cheers
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