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Old Tue May 09, 2006, 09:27pm
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Mechanic Question

Simple and probably silly question, but...

A team control foul is called, you use the new "punch" mechanic.

Now, when you report the foul to the table, do you "punch" towards the table or towards the direction of the non-offending team's basket (indicating the new direction of play)?
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Old Tue May 09, 2006, 09:45pm
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I don't think there's been any directive from the FED, but I'd go with the direction of play.
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Old Tue May 09, 2006, 09:56pm
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I don't think there's been any directive from the FED, but I'd go with the direction of play.
Agreed, I don't think the details have come out yet.
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Old Tue May 09, 2006, 10:00pm
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Can someone explain the punch method and when to use it thanks it is new to me for some reason.
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Old Tue May 09, 2006, 11:12pm
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Can someone explain the punch method and when to use it thanks it is new to me for some reason.
It's new to us all. It was announced in the new rule changes for next season. Here's what we know for sure:
Among the five rules changes was the addition of a new signal for a team-control foul. The mechanics for this signal will be extension of the arm with the fist punched. Struckhoff said the new signal should eliminate confusion at the scorer's table, as well as with players, coaches and fans.
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Old Wed May 10, 2006, 03:20am
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This is how we do it:
Call the foul
Point in the direction of the play with the fist or punch whatever
Hustle off and report foul to the scorebench, eg. #5 blue block, red ball side or baseline, then again pointing with the fist towards the direction of play.
The main idea of the the fist is to show that it is a team control foul and that there will be no shots taken.
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Old Wed May 10, 2006, 06:26am
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point the way of play, this has been the fiba mechanics for ages now (and it's really good )
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Old Thu May 11, 2006, 07:33pm
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How do you report to the table under this foul for NCAA-W?
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Old Fri May 12, 2006, 03:19am
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TJ1, the mechanic I described was a FIBA mechanic. Do not know what mechanics are to be used for NCAA-W. There must surely be books on mechanics available for the various codes in the US. As we only referee to one code (FIBA) in N.Z. we do not have that problem, cheers
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Old Fri May 12, 2006, 06:43am
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same thing here in sweden (and the entire europe)
one code, one set of rules and mechanics, fiba
that's much much easier
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Old Fri May 12, 2006, 07:45am
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How do you report to the table under this foul for NCAA-W?
The same as any other foul -- the signal is the punch. An explanation (illegal screen, etc) can be added for clarity.
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Old Fri May 12, 2006, 11:08am
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I don't think we will "punch" at the table. Usually, the team control signal will be given for either an illegal screen or a pass and crash. The former is almost certainly a block, and the latter a push (or charge). So, that's how I'm reporting it at the table, the same as any other foul.

The punch is for the signal while the foul is called, giving everyone the indication that a team control foul has been called and the resumption of play will be a throw in nearest the spot of the foul.

I'm open to what they say we should do at the table, but absent that, you wouldn't give two signals at the table.
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Old Fri May 12, 2006, 11:19am
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I still believe you will have to use the signal at the table. We use the team control signal at the table in college games. Not everyone is going to see your signal on the foul call. You need to make it clear to everyone that we are not shooting FTs.

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Old Fri May 12, 2006, 11:24am
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Doesn't a point to the floor to the throw in location indicate you are not shooting free throws? It does on a common foul prior to the bonus where some may think the player who was fouled is in the act of shooting and you rule otherwise.

If they want us to give the punch signal, in addition to, or instead of, a block or push signal, that's fine. I will do it, but I don't see the point.

I'm not sure that too many people pay attention to signals anyway. They don't know what most of them mean.
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Old Fri May 12, 2006, 11:31am
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if I understand the true mechanics of the punch, A lot of officials I work with that have been officiating for many year, use the punch to signal for a charging foul.

Do I have this correct?
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