you make the call video

[crazy voyager]

Charge for me (but I had the video, the ref hadn't), he runs straight on the defender who moves sideways (allowed to maintain garding position)

Charge for me

[Kostja]

I think so, too. For me it was a charge. The defender didn't move after the offensive player took off. The contact was right on the torso, which means the defender got to that position first!

Anyway, the way he sold it was a bit too much for me. From my point of view a repeated motion (did he make the signal three times?) like that is like yelling when I don't have any valid arguments left.

What do you think???

[Jimgolf]

Where does the defender establish LGP? Block.

BTW, the defender looks like he took a dive. The offensive player is moving diagonally, but the defender "rebounds" perpendicular to the baseline. Plus, you can see the defender hunching his shoulder prior to launching himself backwards.

[jritchie]

that is nice foot work in the first one.. a lot would never see it!!!

i got a block, heck of a call!!!!

the rebound you could almost have an intentional or technical...

call the double foul and give them both 2 pts for take down...

[Kostja]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

Where does the defender establish LGP? Block.

He is facing his opponent, and he has both feet on the floor. No time and distance shall be required, right? That way he establishes a legal guarding position, doesn't he?

Thought about selling the call. The call could have gone both ways, as we learn from our discussion Therefore, no matter which way it goes, the official has to sell it with authority. Still, I wouldn't repeatedly bang the hips. I'd rather do it once (but so that it would hurt a bit), then just stay there for a second with my fist in the air before going to the table.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Kostja

I think so, too. For me it was a charge. The defender didn't move after the offensive player took off. The contact was right on the torso, which means the defender got to that position first!

Anyway, the way he sold it was a bit too much for me. From my point of view a repeated motion (did he make the signal three times?) like that is like yelling when I don't have any valid arguments left.

What do you think???

Appropriate sell for that particular call, IMO. I had a similar one this season in a BV game with about 20 seconds left and I think I banged the hips about three times (and then counted the basket).

[refTN]

I have a block as well. Many might not agree with this but I was taught that if the defender is not perpendicular to the offensive players path then that is just one reason for having a block.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by crazy voyager

Charge for me (but I had the video, the ref hadn't), he runs straight on the defender who moves sideways (allowed to maintain garding position)

Charge for me

He never HAD legal guarding position.

[tjones1]

I've got a block. One thing is for sure, no one can complain about whether the official selled the call or not. Nice job!

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by crazy voyager

Charge for me....he runs straight on the defender who moves sideways (allowed to maintain garding position)

Charge for me

Huh?

Since when is a defender allowed to move sideways?

Whenever you have block/charge, ask yourself "what did the defender do wrong?" - after all, you are supposed to be reffing the defense. If your answer is "nothing", call charge. If your answer contains the words "moves sideways", it's a block.

Having said all this, I think this is one of those calls where you could probably call charge and never get any heat for it. It'd be the wrong call, but you could get away with it.

[mj]

I got a block.

[NICK]

Definitely a block, he tried to take the offensive charge with his raised left shoulder, cheers

[mplagrow]

I got a block too. Too much lateral movement to get into the path of the driving player. I didn't mind the sell either.

[crazy voyager]

Originally Posted by mplagrow

I got a block too. Too much lateral movement to get into the path of the driving player. I didn't mind the sell either.

But you're allowed to move unless it's forward (And I'm quite certain the defender didn't move forward), so why the block?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by crazy voyager

But you're allowed to move unless it's forward (And I'm quite certain the defender didn't move forward), so why the block?

Yes, the defender is allowed to move sideways to maintain LGP. There also is no provision that the guard must be standing still on contact; just that the defender is still maintaining a LGP. At that point, it now depends on where the contact occurs. If it occurs on the torso of the defender, then you would normally call a charge. If the defender moves out of his normal upright plane just before the contact, so that the contact occurs on a outstretched arm or a leg or shoulder stuck out instead of directly on the torso of the defender, you have a block. I think that was the point that CanuckRef was trying to make previously when he was talking about moving sideways- i.e. a defender leaning sideways just before the contact