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Have I ever heard of advantage/disadvantage? No, that wasn't patronizing. Of course I have. That's the whole point.
Look, someone mentioned several posts back that this this may be one of those plays where it's just not fair to make a judgment without seeing/hearing the timing of the whistle-throwdown. I'll concede that I should have recognized that and kept my fingers taped. Regardless of the actual timing in the play in question, let me simply state that I can certainly envision timing scenarios where, in a middle school game, a technical foul would not be inappropriate here. That being the case, it's also definitionally true that there are also timing instances in which I wouldn't agree. Now everybody but me can live with my position. |
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Where did it meet the definition of a technical foul? I'm betting that if you were on the floor, you wouldn't throw a T. But, you've painted yourself into a corner, as many of us so often do.
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I had an assignor that is a very good official and runs a great conference tell me that there are no jump balls in girls basketball. Obviously he was generalizing, but the reasoning is that if there is any possibility of a foul, call it just to keep them from being all over each other. You can apply the same to lower level games.
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Well said. Thank you, Tony. MTD, Sr.
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I think we're in violent agreement here. I posted my scenarios in response to the questions both expressed and implied of, "Aren't we penalizing someone for being stronger/bigger?" I hoped my example would illustrate that this is the wrong question, and that the question(s) should be more along the lines of advantage/disadvantage. Again for the sake of argument, if the whistle blows for a held ball, then, after a reasonable amount of time has passed, one player, in trying to gain sole possession of the basketball, throws another to the ground, then at the middle school level, I'm with JR. And one of the reasons I am goes to the heart of the scenario I gave earlier; i.e. if you're talking about a small/weak girl, she's not going to be capable of generating the kind of force necessary to throw someone else to the ground, whereas a bigger/stronger girl will. FWIW, my intent is not to debate whether the original poster's play included a 'reasonable amount of time,' or what exactly constitutes said amount. |
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