Tue Jan 10, 2006, 03:48pm
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Nate1224hoops
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Originally posted by ehcco
Wow, I didn't mean to start a fight but thanks for the opinions.
Just for clarification, A1 did not cause the player to fall by ripping the ball out after the whistle. I also don't think A1 had any intentions to hurt B1, she simply was doing what all kids are taught during a held ball and that is to aggressively get the ball.
My feeling is the call was changed because B1 came up crying not because a foul was committed. I think the refs felt a foul call would make the situation better. The coach for player B1 was not asking for a foul.
I wasn't sure if the player falling to the floor because of the action of ripping the ball out could somehow be interpreted as a foul even though no actual contact occurred. I did not consider the unsporting technical so I looked again at 4-19-14. The "unfair" word/part of the definition is the only one that may apply but being bigger and stronger and using one's strength is not acting in an unfair manner.
To me it was a situation in which players get hurt playing the game.
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In this situation your are merely complicating the play by even considering the unsporting T. If there was no contact and you feel as though there was no malicious intent then it easy, IT'S A JUMP BALL. By calling a foul in this situation you are sending the players mixed signals. You are telling them it's okay to try to pull the ball away, but it the defender falls and crys then the foul will be called.
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Can we get something straight here? THIS IS NOT A JUMP BALL. It's a HELD ball.
A JUMP ball is a method of putting the ball in play by tossing it to start the game or an OT.
A HELD ball occurs when two opponents both have their hands on the ball, such that neither one can gain control without undue roughness.
Now, with that definition in mind, all I have is a HELD ball. Let's suppose the whistle was blown one second later, or had not blown at all, and the exact same play occurred. Are we going to call a technical foul? I'm not, and I hope no one else here would either. The split second timing of this play does not call for a T.
Now, if the HELD ball was whistled, both players had an opportunity to hear it, perhaps B1 loosened her grasp adn then suddenly, A1 tears the ball away, there may be justification for a T.
But splitting hairs on a whistle that sounds a second or less before the rip away - A T is over officious IMHO.
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Well said. Thank you, Tony.
MTD, Sr.
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