T.V. Technical?

RoyalsCoach · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 30, 2005, 11:53pm

Watched the 2nd ranked Class A team in Illinois tonight in the finals of the holiday tournament. They go 6'8", 6'5", 6'4 across the frontline. At half time all three are dunking prior to the official's coming back on the floor. Hypothetical question, this tournament has a closed circuit camera that broadcast on a screen in the concession area. If the officials happen to see the dunking as they walk by the t.v could they call a technical? There jurisidication doesn't start until they arrive at courtside correct? So I am assuming the answer would be no. But it would serve them right to get caught.

rainmaker · #2 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 31, 2005, 01:16am

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Originally posted by RoyalsCoach
Watched the 2nd ranked Class A team in Illinois tonight in the finals of the holiday tournament. They go 6'8", 6'5", 6'4 across the frontline. At half time all three are dunking prior to the official's coming back on the floor. Hypothetical question, this tournament has a closed circuit camera that broadcast on a screen in the concession area. If the officials happen to see the dunking as they walk by the t.v could they call a technical? There jurisidication doesn't start until they arrive at courtside correct? So I am assuming the answer would be no. But it would serve them right to get caught.

Since the officials' jurisdiction doesn't start until they are on the floor, it's not a foul until that time. So even if they were to see it on the closed circuit TV, there'd be nothing to call.

ace · #3 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 31, 2005, 01:22am

Hell if that were the case schools would have CCTVs in the locker rooms and we wouldnt show up until it was time to throw the ball, no need for jackets. We'd almost be like the MLB. Show up for game time. Quick meet/greet with coaches and go on about the game. Boy wouldnt that be nice?

brainbrian · #4 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 31, 2005, 01:48am

Hell if that were the case schools would have CCTVs in the locker rooms and we'd call the entire game from there with a mute button for the coaches and fans. Boy wouldnt that be nice?

tjones1 · #5 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 31, 2005, 02:17am

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Hell if that were the case schools would have CCTVs in the locker rooms and we'd call the entire game from there with a mute button for the coaches and fans. Boy wouldnt that be nice?

Hmmmm, not a bad idea!

Snake~eyes · #6 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 31, 2005, 02:21am

I'd sneak out there real quick and walk out as a kid SLAMS one. TWEET.

ChrisSportsFan · #7 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 31, 2005, 10:03am

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Originally posted by brainbrian
Hell if that were the case schools would have CCTVs in the locker rooms and we'd call the entire game from there with a mute button for the coaches and fans. Boy wouldnt that be nice?

Hey Brian, I'm guessing you're home from college????? Why no posting while you are away? Guess you're pretty serious about those grades. Hope all is well and Happy Holidays to you.

Mark Dexter · #8 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 31, 2005, 01:37pm

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Originally posted by RoyalsCoach
Watched the 2nd ranked Class A team in Illinois tonight in the finals of the holiday tournament. They go 6'8", 6'5", 6'4 across the frontline. At half time all three are dunking prior to the official's coming back on the floor. Hypothetical question, this tournament has a closed circuit camera that broadcast on a screen in the concession area. If the officials happen to see the dunking as they walk by the t.v could they call a technical? There jurisidication doesn't start until they arrive at courtside correct? So I am assuming the answer would be no. But it would serve them right to get caught.

Since the officials' jurisdiction doesn't start until they are on the floor, it's not a foul until that time. So even if they were to see it on the closed circuit TV, there'd be nothing to call.

However, the post states that this occurs during halftime. Therefore, the officials do have jurisdiction.

(Not saying I'd call the T!)

Nevadaref · #9 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 31, 2005, 02:52pm

The officials jurisdiction extends through halftime. The requirement of when they take the floor is for prior to the game and they are required to be there at least 15 minutes before the scheduled tip-off. However, there is a definite rule which protects the kids from technical fouls in this case.

SECTION 2 OFFICIALS' JURISDICTION
ART. 1 . . . The officials shall make decisions for infractions of the rules committed within or outside the boundary lines. The use of any replay or television monitoring equipment by the officials in making any decision relating to the game is prohibited.

Forksref · #10 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 01, 2006, 09:29am

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Originally posted by brainbrian
Hell if that were the case schools would have CCTVs in the locker rooms and we'd call the entire game from there with a mute button for the coaches and fans. Boy wouldnt that be nice?

Put speakers on the backboards. "This is your lead official speaking, 'OK guys, shooting 2.'"

Have a camera in the lockerroom so we can signal the fouls. TV monitors at the table. We get paid by e-check.

Heck, we could do it at home via the computer.

TravelinMan · #11 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 01, 2006, 02:52pm

Why weren't the officials back on the court before half-time warmups?

Nevadaref · #12 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 01, 2006, 03:07pm

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Why weren't the officials back on the court before half-time warmups?

According to 109g in the officials manual the officials return to the court approximately three minutes before the halftime intermission ends. Anything the teams do prior to that isn't going to be observed.

TravelinMan · #13 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 01, 2006, 03:17pm

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Why weren't the officials back on the court before half-time warmups?

According to 109g in the officials manual the officials return to the court approximately three minutes before the halftime intermission ends. Anything the teams do prior to that isn't going to be observed.

Good point, Nevada. It was a lead in question. So pregame with coaches...request that they do not start warmups before 3 minutes to go before 2nd half. Make sure table hits horn at 3 minutes to go or better still request home admin person to knock on your door.

Jurassic Referee · #14 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 01, 2006, 03:24pm

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So pregame with coaches...request that they do not start warmups before 3 minutes to go before 2nd half.
[/B][/QUOTE]No, I don't think so. We don't have that right or the power to tell the coaches what to do during half-time. I've had coaches make their kids stay out on the floor and practise their shooting at half-time. No rule against it.

TravelinMan · #15 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 01, 2006, 03:44pm

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So pregame with coaches...request that they do not start warmups before 3 minutes to go before 2nd half.
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No, I don't think so. We don't have that right or the power to tell the coaches what to do during half-time. I've had coaches make their kids stay out on the floor and practise their shooting at half-time. No rule against it. [/B][/QUOTE]

I agree with you JR that we don't have the right/power to TELL them and there isn't any rule to back us up. That is why I said REQUEST. If coach is adamant against your REQUEST, explain the problem. It's OK to practice your SHOOTING, but it is against rules to practice DUNKING. What the heck, it's worth a try. Most coaches may not have a problem with your request. Our association stresses how well we deal with coaches and we have scored very high in this area. It has made our job of officiating easier.
Jack