Profanity and a deaf ear!

AK ref SE · #1 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 27, 2001, 03:28pm

This was a response I received this weekend during a tourney.

My partner calls a Charge! Great call!! Coach gets mad! Player gets mad and says Thats a F***K up call, I can't believe this B.S. That Gosh Darn Ref"
I "T" up the player! The coach asked what he said!
I told him! His comment was in a game of this nature and type You have to expect emotion and you should have a Deaf ear!!!
What!

AK ref SE "Venting"

Indy_Ref · #2 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 27, 2001, 03:56pm

If I'm the calling official and I hear those words, I'm T'ing him up. If I'm the off official and I hear those words, I'm probably getting in his face to tell him that I don't want to hear ANYTHING like that again. If he backs down, he is "let off easy". If he continues to protest/complain, then I'm T'ing him up.

Martin Morgan · #3 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 27, 2001, 04:39pm

AK,

Was this a high school game?
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Indy, if an official on the floor hears a player spewing profanity, especially towards an official, a 'T' must be given.

Now, if I saw that it was whispered/muttered toward him/herself or the ball ("__ I shoulda had that one"), I might be inclined to go with the warning.

Swear at my partner or me, and you've earned a 'T'.

Martin

mick · #4 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 27, 2001, 06:10pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Martin Morgan

...if an official on the floor hears a player spewing profanity, especially towards an official, a 'T' must be given.

Now, if I saw that it was whispered/muttered toward him/herself or the ball ("__ I shoulda had that one"), I might be inclined to go with the warning.

Swear at my partner or me, and you've earned a 'T'.

Martin

I'm with you, Martin.
Under breath, I tell them "I didn't hear that, and I won't hear it again".
Swear at my partner aloud, ... I'll collect the garbage.
mick

AK ref SE · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 27, 2001, 06:47pm

Martin Morgan-
Yes this was a High school game! This was said loud enough for myself who was 20 feet away, along with about 4 other players(both teams), and maybe a fan or two!

I have heard players before voice their opinion, if it was under their breath! I have used the line "I didn't hear that this time"!

AK ref SE

PAULK1 · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 27, 2001, 06:58pm

I have had 2 simular T's this year. At this level its not even an option for me I T immediately. Both times when the
coaches asked what the player had said my reponse was " Coach he used language that you nor I are supposed to tolerate on this court". Seems to work both times the coaches pulled the player for a few choice words on the bench.

John Arduini · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 27, 2001, 07:22pm

I have a simple test. Assume my 5 year old daughter is in the stands, if she hears it, then there is a T. Of course, if directed inappropriately at the refs or the other team, they get a T right away.

bluezebra · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 27, 2001, 08:16pm

Why was that player not ejected?

Bob

BktBallRef · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 27, 2001, 09:27pm

Quote:

Originally posted by bluezebra
Why was that player not ejected?

Bob

My question exactly! In NC, he's gone and he's sitting on the bench in street clothes for the next two games.

mikesears · #10 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 28, 2001, 10:15am

How would you have handled this situation I had last year in a girl's JV game?

Girl is called for a foul (I believe it was a player-control foul). As my partner is reporting to the table, girl walks by me and says "That's f**king bullsh*t!"

I gave her a "T" (and of course, the coach wanted to know what she said).

Bart Tyson · #11 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 28, 2001, 10:32am

Indy_Ref, I would be more apt to back up my partner. What diff. does it make if you hear it as an off official?

bluezebra · #12 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 28, 2001, 11:59am

I don't understand you people! A "T" MUST be given for language as was described, AND an EJECTIOIN goes with it. I don't care which official this outburst was aimed at, it has no place on a court or field, especially when youth are involved.

Bob

Bart Tyson · #13 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 28, 2001, 12:30pm

Does the rules say to eject a player for profanity? I would agree, the amount of response given by the player in this case is alot. Wouldn't break my heart to see this player gone.

BktBallRef · #14 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 28, 2001, 07:20pm

Quote:

Originally posted by mikesears
How would you have handled this situation I had last year in a girl's JV game?

Girl is called for a foul (I believe it was a player-control foul). As my partner is reporting to the table, girl walks by me and says "That's f**king bullsh*t!"

I gave her a "T" (and of course, the coach wanted to know what she said).

In the now infamous words of Ronnie Garrettson, "Whack! Get out!"

JRutledge · #15 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 01, 2001, 02:14am

Look, there is many ways to get rid of a kid than giving a T. I agree that this kid made a comment towards and official, it should be a T every single time. But I do not agree that you need to eject him. Look, you have punished the bad behavior. If the kid wants to continue to run his mouth, bang him again. Now I also feel, that if he wants to stare you down, and try to show you up, just get him for every little thing he does. Do not give him the benefit of doubt. Every little push, call a foul. Every little contact, call a foul. He will either foul out or the coach will remove him, either way you have accomplished what you wanted to.

Just my opinion.