The carry: walk or double dribble?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by joseph2493

Carry still has a signal, but they removed the violation a couple of years ago.

Say what?

Rule 4-15-4(b)--"The dribble ends when the dribbler palms/carries the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands".

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by Smitty

Whew...I was just flipping through my book trying to find anything in the Definitions section or Violations section referring to the Carry or Palming. Nothing there. Weird that you wouldn't have some kind of text in the rule book to go along with a mechanic.

It's 4-15-4-b, but it is not mentioned in rule 9.

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by Oz Referee

If the player takes a step when palming the ball - it is a travel. If they don't and simply stop and then restart their dribble - it is a double dribble.

woops - should have read the other answers before posting this. BTW the carry mechanic has been removed from FIBA (in case you care)

You may want to review 4-43.

[joseph2493]

Originally posted by Bart Tyson

If you are saying this is a Violation, this is incorrect. [/B]

You stop one dribble and start a second which is double dribble also known as a violation

[tjones1]

Have to double check with Mark on this one....but I believe the palming/carrying the ball mechanic and the over and back mechanic were the same last year...at least in the 03-04 rule book. Have to dig and check it out.

[Bart Tyson]

Originally posted by joseph2493

You stop one dribble and start a second which is double dribble also known as a violation [/B]

Its not a violation until the dribbler is the 1st to touch the ball after it touches the floor.

[joseph2493]

It's 4-15-4-b, but it is not mentioned in rule 9.

In 4-15-4b It's a way to stop a dribble but the illegal action comes when they return the ball to the floor 9-5 (illegal dribble) or picks up his/her pivot foot and returns it to the floor 9-4 (travel)

[Smitty]

Originally posted by blindzebra

It's 4-15-4-b, but it is not mentioned in rule 9.

Yes there it is - subtle but it's at least mentioned. Thanks.

[thumpferee]

I'm still trying to find out where it says "Double Dribble".

Rule 9-5 Illegal Dribble!! Signals #19

[joseph2493]

Its not a violation until the dribbler is the 1st to touch the ball after it touches the floor.

If I left that part out I apologize. He/she has to dribble again. Thus being the first person to touch it.

[Bart Tyson]

joseph2493, If I understand you correctly, you would call a DD on a lot of bounce passes. A1 ends dribble, then releases the ball to the floor to pass and Beep, DD when it touches the floor. I must be misunderstanding you.


[Edited by Bart Tyson on Feb 1st, 2005 at 05:02 PM]

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by thumpferee
I'm still trying to find out where it says "Double Dribble".

Rule 9-5 Illegal Dribble!! Signals #19

It does say may not dribble a second time.

Second = two

Double = two

Second = double

[thumpferee]

Originally posted by blindzebra

It does say may not dribble a second time.

Second = two

Double = two

Second = double

LOL

Still looking for Double Dribble Definition. And where all that math is in the rules book!

LOL

[rwest]

Once the player has ended their dribble, if he/she starts another dribble its a violation. The dribbler does not have to touch the ball before the violation occurs. The violation occurs when he/she initiates the dribble. A bounce pass can not be confused for a dribble. For example, A1 dribbles up the court and ends their dribble. They then initiate another dribble but before the ball bounces back to their hand the ball is touched by the defender. I have an illegal dribble even though the dribbler was not the first to touch it after it hit the floor. The illegal dribble is called at the start of the dribble.

[South GA BBall Ref]

It amazes me how we split hairs on terminology on this board. Carrying vs. palming vs. illegal dribble. It is simply a violation, call it what you like, the offense got an advantage and should lose the possession.