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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by South GA BBall Ref
It amazes me how we split hairs on terminology on this board. Carrying vs. palming vs. illegal dribble. It is simply a violation, call it what you like, the offense got an advantage and should lose the possession.
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Exactly. This is the type of silliness that I referred to early this week.
Palming/carrying the ball is a vilation. It's an illegal dribble and there is a signal for it.
DO NOT call traveling in this situation. It will only further confuse EVERYONE in the gym.
DO NOT call a double dribble in this situation. It will only further confuse EVERYONE in the gym.
There is a specific mechanic in the rule book for these very reasons. And if you don't think there's such a violation, pull out your rule book from 2000-01 and read the POE on palming/carrying the ball. It is not traveling and it is not a double dribble. It is a separate violation.
2000-01 Points of Emphasis
4. Palming
Offensive players "palming" the ball continue to gain a tremendous advantage over defensive player(s). Emphasis is not only to be given to the dribbler's hand position, but also the activity of the ball while the dribble is occurring. "Palming" not only occurs while the palm is facing "skyward," but can also occur while the palm is facing the floor. The key to officiating this play consistently and correctly is to determine if the ball has "come to rest" (4-15-4 b). Where we are seeing a definite advantage to the offensive player is on the hesitation "move" to beat a defender (toward the basket or just to go by them). In many of these instances, the ball is "coming to rest" in the dribbler's hand. A violation must be called by the official, as there is no way to legally defend against this move.
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Well, technically, the carry is a special case of either the traveling or illegal dribble. They took out the carry signals 4-5 years ago then put it back a couple years later due to the confusion it caused.
If, during the carry, the feet moved, it was a traveling...since you couldn't yet tell if they were going to continue the dribble or not. If the feet didn't move and they continued the dribbler, it was an illegal dribble.
The result was the same as the carrying violation that we've had all but those 1-2 years.
They changed it back...as BBR says...due to the absolute confusion it caused.