Most Misunderstood rules--

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by bossref
I tried to be as direct and accurate as possible......

Regarding the rules that you are disputing, I can only say that I have been to more than a few rules interpretation sessions of West Coast collegiate officials in the mid 1980s
and several issues were discussed that the rulebook failed to clarify.

Let me get this straight, Barry. Are you trying to tell me that the rules that I questioned above, as defined and posted on your web site by yourself, aren't actually clarified anywhere in the actual rule book or case book? I politely beg to differ. I would also like to politely point out to you that I have already cited the actual rule numbers above that seem to directly contradict your version of them.

The bottom line is that I'm not disputing the accuracy of your rules, but unfortunately it seems that the actual rule book does seem to be disputing your version of the rules and their accuracy. The actual rule book seems to be saying that your posted rules on your web site that I referred to above are wrong.

Btw, I politely agree with the official rule book, but I'm also quite willing to listen if you would like to point out why the cited rules aren't germane and relevant.

[Hotlink501]

then what is it?? If you have control, (ie holding a loose ball), then it is not a loose ball. Possession means you can either pass it, dribble it, or shoot it. If you have control of the ball and are sliding along the floor, it is most certainly a travel.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Hotlink501
then what is it?? If you have control, (ie holding a loose ball), then it is not a loose ball. Possession means you can either pass it, dribble it, or shoot it. If you have control of the ball and are sliding along the floor, it is most certainly a travel.

If the slide is caused by the momentum required to secure the ball, then it's a legal play. If the player is adding momentum (rolling, pushing with the legs, etc.), then it's travelling.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

If the slide is caused by the momentum required to secure the ball, then it's a legal play. If the player is adding momentum (rolling, pushing with the legs, etc.), then it's travelling.

Also, if you're on your feet, and you slide with possession, it IS a travel. On your bottom, back or stomach to slide with possession is NOT a travel.

[w_sohl]

"fumble dribble fumble" not "dribble fumble dribble"

[bossref]

Fellow officials: please know that this page of misunderstood rules was condensed so as to be as efficient (and complete) as possible all on ONE PAGE of a handount.

Re: sliding on the floor.

My intent was to refer to the type of play where a player dives to go get a loose ball and then happens to slide
on the floor. The player never had control of the ball prior to his leaving his feet.
IMO that player is legal to slide until his actual momentum
is ended. At that point, no more movement is legal except to pivot on whatever part of the body that is on the floor,
which is usually his lower back side.
The player could not roll over or try to stand up.
Their options are: call TO, start a dribble, or pass, or shoot.

And BTW I must admit to not being absolutely correct with the 4 interpretations list by JR in his former posting.
I stand corrected and will re-write those soon, to be more precise.

To whomever received a copy from me, please edit these so
as not to confuse anyone who reads them in the future.

I'm always learning and have never professed to be purfekt.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by bossref
At that point, no more movement is legal except to pivot on whatever part of the body that is on the floor,
which is usually his lower back side.

I'm not sure that even pivoting on "the body part in contact with the floor" is legal. Haven't we discussed this befre? I'm no good at the Google search for this board. I think the thread was titled, " Something Something Pivot Cheek".

Originally posted by bossref
And BTW I must admit to not being absolutely correct with the 4 interpretations list by JR in his former posting.
I stand corrected and will re-write those soon, to be more precise.

Barry, as I told a coach last night, it takes a big man to admit he's wrong. Even when it's worded "not...absolutely correct" it's a very powerful admission, and buys you a lot of credibility. It also helps your refs improve, when they see that it's not an ego thing to get the rules right, it's just an important part of the job.