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And then in order to restart the count, the defender would have to run all the way around the dribbler so that the dribbler would again be moving toward him/her. So "in the path" can't mean that the defender places himself/herself in a position so that the dribbler is moving toward him/her. I see the logic of his position. The most likely alternative to that meaning of "in the path" is that it means "between the dribbler and the basket". Makes sense to me, if you're going to focus on "in the path"; although personally I tend to agree that "in the path" really doesn't matter for purposes of being closely guarded.
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[/B][/QUOTE] There is no play I can think of where you have a charge where the defender is not in the path to the basket. Even when A1 is behind the backboard and jumps back into B1, A1's path was still toward B1 and the basket. [/B][/QUOTE] Sorry but I have seen them. I ve seen them when offense has been forced back to mid court one way or another, or going toward sideline... Many Screens ( covered by rule 4 with the "path") do not happen with defense between the basket and player. Traps in low corners with screens set to get out to reset at midcourt....Everybody is moving away from the basket... You get players airborne and not moving to basket.. Most of the time they are moving to basket but there are enough plays that arent... Trust me these kind of plays can and do happen. I ve called them |
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Hmmmm.
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That's all.
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At what point, if any, do you stop the 5 second count? Chuck, where do you stop, if any? BZ, how 'bout you? Oh, and give a rules reference, too. |
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[Edited by blindzebra on Jun 19th, 2004 at 11:08 AM] |
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4-10 and 9.10.C . [Edited by blindzebra on Jun 19th, 2004 at 11:07 AM] |
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Are you saying that when A1 takes those three steps back, the official should terminate the closely guarded count? And if yes, then is it terminated b/c B1 is no longer in A1's path? It sounds to me like you're saying that the count is terminated in this situation, but I want to be completely clear on your position on this before I get any more confused.
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And returning to the original question, here's another hypo.
A1 is standing at the top of the key, dribbling, with B1 very closely guarding, and between A1 and the basket. A1 ducks and feints right. As A1 leans right, B1 does also, giving A1 space to lean forward and begin a drive. (a) A1 gets head and shoulders past and (b) steps forward and to the left with the left foot, (c) now having most of her body past B1 toward the basket, B1 still has her back to the basket. (d) Now A1 steps forward with the right foot. B1 begins to turn, but no longer has any claim to being between A1 and the basket. Where do you stop the 5-second count? Give rules reference, please. |
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LGP is lost at that point, so no count unless B1 re-establishes LGP. |
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